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Old August 28 2012, 09:20 PM   #119
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Re: Bill Nye: “Creationism is not Appropriate for Children”

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No one is saying force kids to deny their religious upbringing in favor of genuine scientific study.
If you read between the lines, I think that's exactly what he's saying. Religion only works if it's presented as unerring eternal TRUTH.
That depends on what it works FOR. As a tool of indoctrination, ideological uniformity and thought control, then religion is indeed untenable unless it is taught along absolutist terms. If, on the other hand, religion is being used as a way to spiritually and psychologically uplift a population while at the same time providing a social framework through which they can coordinate their own enlightened self-interest while pretending to be better people than they are, then "unerring eternal TRUTH" is irrelevant.

This is the difference between fundamentalism and casual religion. Most believers are casual; they believe the tenants of their religion are true because they're used to thinking that way and either never really thought about it or never saw a compelling reason to modify it. A fundamentalist clings to those beliefs as a matter of urgency; it colors every aspect of his life as an interpretive lens and is pretty much the first thing he thinks about when he tries to interact with the world.

In that sense, creationism is science through the lens of religious fundamentalism. It is something you should expect to find in a fundamentalist school; by contrast, rational and thoughtful individuals is NOT something you generally expect to find in fundamentalist schools.

Atheists aren't being honest. They know promoting critical thinking will weaken religions because religions require the absence of critical thinking.
Positive atheists believe as much, but it's a bit of a stretch to say they know this. It is a tenant of faith for positive atheism, actually, that "reason will some day conquer religion." The truth is, it probably won't, it will simply make religious believers more reasonable.
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