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Old August 16 2012, 04:35 AM   #80
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Re: Crossover with other franchises?

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Clear enough? You were operating under misinformation, which I corrected.
You went way beyond "correcting" it. You took such a vicious attitude that it sounded like you were judging me for my innocent attempt to find some chronological information about the universe. I didn't know what parts were introduced by which author; I was just trying to research the question. And you jumped down my throat for daring to consult a reference that didn't meet with your approval. So hell yes, I felt attacked. Anyone would if they got that kind of vitriol in response to an innocent attempt at research.
Let's review what I said:

This is not "vitriol." This is a legitimate answer. I said the site was not credible, and why. I made no criticism of you for referencing it. You asked about the Guild Steersmen. Let's review my reply:

Straightforward answer there - no criticism of anybody. Then I answered your comment about Arrakis:

Again... a perfectly logical, civil answer. You chose not to acknowledge these answers, though, dismissing them as "not useful" (so it seems from your comment to someone else). Then you started getting nasty with me, and it's my perception that you posted this partly due to our spirited disagreements in other threads about canon and non-canon:

I tried to explain that the Dune situation is nasty. I didn't know KJA had endorsed your book. But I stand by every word I said about him, based on having read his books and corresponded with him. I tried to put it in terms that you would find more familiar (Star Trek) - and expressed faith in your integrity, that you wouldn't betray the ST legacy so egregiously.

Whereupon you decided to attack me for expressing my distaste for Kevin J. Anderson, calling it a "hatefest." I maintain that what I said here is extremely mild in comparison to what some other people have said - people who, in my opinion, have indeed crossed the boundaries of legitimate criticism of an author's work and made it extremely personal.

Should I have expressed it the way others have done, and said a different word that is often filtered on forums? Or a different expression entirely that is NOT filtered here, but that I can't fathom why it isn't because it's so incredibly vulgar?

Okay, I was angry. Apologies to everybody who was offended by my choice of vocabulary. Consider that the gist of what I meant was "profoundly disrespect the original creator's work."

You have misunderstood what I said. I decided to remove Christopher from my reading list because of what he said to me and how he said it, not because Kevin J. Anderson gave him an endorsement.

Over 35 years as a science fiction reader and Star Trek fan gives me the basis on which to judge others' work. And yes, I write fanfic. However, in my fanfic you won't find wild changes like incest stories in Dune (it was considered anathema in the Imperium, especially among the Fremen), slash fiction, changes in the events of a character's life that had a profound effect on that character as presented by the original creator (thus changing the character's "self", background, motivations, etc.)... In my fanfic I do meticulous research on characters, background events and settings, and that I make every effort to get each character's speech patterns and intonations as authentic as possible. If I'm writing a satire or parody, I make it clear from the get-go, so people who don't like that kind of writing can skip it. So yeah, I think I've got a good basis for judging others' work.

As regards Star Wars, I loved the original versions of the first movies - Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi. I own the VHS versions of those before Lucas started tinkering with them (which he has every right to do, since he owns the rights to them). I found the other Star Wars movies so boring, I couldn't make myself finish watching them. And I don't care if Lucas made 2 cents or 2 billion on those prequel movies. I still don't like them. And it's my right to say so. Same with a novelist. Yes, KJA's books sell well. That doesn't mean they're actually good writing.

KJA himself asked me why I kept buying the nuDune books if I didn't like them. My reply was that I kept hoping they would improve... but they never did. And I consider that if I'm going to criticize an author's work, the least I can do is make sure it's because I've actually read them and know what my own personal opinions are, instead of parroting stuff other people have said (incidentally, I avoid film critics precisely for this reason - I prefer to make up my own mind). And I attacked nobody here for reading the nuDune books, and I certainly didn't attack Christopher. He was operating from the pov of a misunderstanding, and I corrected him. He's the one who chose to interpret that as an attack.

I'm not stopping Kevin J. Anderson from coming here and defending himself, if he wishes to do so. The fact is that he prefers interacting via social media and email, not forums. In person I criticize people if I think it's warranted. How they defend themselves (or not) is up to them, same as if it were the other way around.

Why not create a Dune thread over in the "Miscellaneous" part of the board to discuss it? I would love to discuss the issue with you there if you are willing to be a bit more civil in your discourse.
I'll consider that, but you would have to understand that I feel very strongly about this issue.

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I want a comic book based on the Star Trek Mr. Potato Head line. I'm not even sure that's really a crossover but it MUST be done.
That would be adorable! I guess you could consider it a crossover with the Toy Story movies, since Mr. Potato Head appears in them.
Can't we just move on here, please. And looking at this situation as an someone who knows very little about Dune (I've read up on some of the story when I tried to read the first book a couple years ago), it definitely seems like a bit of an overreaction. We get you don't like post Frank Herbert Dune, we really don't need multi-paragraph posts about how much you hate Kevin J. Anderson and his books.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it is not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett, Equal Rites
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