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Old July 30 2012, 10:47 AM   #7
Timo
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Re: Is the Federation a True Democracy? And How Did It Reach That Poin

Chekov refers to Leningrad (modern-day St. Petersburg), which would indicate the the Soviet Regime had at least a nominal voice in the Russian government.
Huh? Does the survival of Berlin and the honoring of the city by the naming of the lunar colony New Berlin establish a continuing Nazi regime?

More specifically, "St. Petersburg" doesn't stand proof to a Czarist regime today, even if the fond reference clearly is to Peter the Great rather than the biblical figure.

Obviously, the Federation as a whole is a democracy founded on American ideals, as demonstrated in the episode "The Omega Glory," Kirk can even recite parts of the Constitution!
He can also quote Shakespeare, which doesn't mean he'd be in favor of unconstitutional monarchies and patricide.

As pointed out, he does say once (!) that the Federation (or perhaps Starfleet?) is a democratic body. This is stated to create a contrast to what the Klingon Empire is, though - so perhaps it doesn't amount to much. North Korea would be democratic in comparison with the Klingon Empire, or what Kirk thinks the Empire is like.

Their history must have diverged from our own after the 1960s, because in the episode "Assignment: Earth," no visible difference can be seen.
Nor in the episodes and movies taking place in the 1980s or the 1990s or the 2000s or the 2010s. Various differences are mentioned in dialogue, though.

Also, the Federation, for all its talk of equal rights of races, seems oddly dominated by humans.
Where is the concept of equal rights of races mentioned in TOS? Or in TNG, for that matter?

As for "true democracy", it we ignore the historical references (rule by demos, the warrior council) and go by modern semantics, this would mean that everybody gets to vote on things. No nation today practices such a thing: people generally vote for representatives, and on certain extremely rare occasions on issues, and there is no guarantee that their vote would give them any influence over any issues in either case. It's also always impossible to vote against representatives.

Democracy, or having a say through vote, is implemented through various structures that limit the right to have a say through vote. As said, there's quite a bit of democracy in North Korea in that sense, then. But we never hear of UFP citizens voting on anything, and the only things we know have been voted on at all (Starfleet inner circle votes notwithstanding) were Coridan membership in "Journey to Babel" and Jaresh-Inyo's presidency in "Homefront", neither of which involved citizens explicitly.

Timo Saloniemi
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