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Old July 21 2012, 02:15 PM   #98
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Re: 50 Shades Of Grey phenomenon? Mommy porn outsells Potter and Twili

Ethros wrote: View Post
Well if women really like 50 Shades so much, shouldn't they like men who beat them?


Explains why Chris Brown is still popular.
Yeah, because BDSM is the same as abuse.

Oh for fuck's sake. The level of ignorance in this society still manages to surprise me.

I haven't read those books, but it seems that they're popular for this exact reason - there's still such a fuss being made over BSDM and it's constantly being treated as something bad and forbidden and shameful, so a novel like that, which seems to be basically mild BDSM porn without much plot, becomes a phenomenon with the audience that's not familiar with online fanfiction and other non-mainstream works. If this 50 Shades of Grey thing helps BDSM not be such a taboo (and for people to stop writing stupid articles shaming women about their "wrong" sexual desires), at least it's going to be useful socially (which is more than one can say about Twilight). In 50 years time, hopefully, it won't be such a big deal at all.
RevdKathy wrote: View Post
Small thought: why is it 'manly' when males (of any age) look at images of sex, but somehow 'sad' when women (especially older ones) read about it? Porn mags have known for years that while men respond to images, women are more likely to respond to words - which is why they have text sections. The books may well be crap (TLR!) but women reading about sex is surely ok? no?
Because our society is still fucking sexist, that's why.
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Since I seem to be the target demographic, maybe I ought to read this. Though it sounds as if it may actually be even worse than my own fanfic, which would be a real stretch.

Small thought: why is it 'manly' when males (of any age) look at images of sex, but somehow 'sad' when women (especially older ones) read about it? Porn mags have known for years that while men respond to images, women are more likely to respond to words - which is why they have text sections. The books may well be crap (TLR!) but women reading about sex is surely ok? no?
From what I've heard of the books it's not the fact they're about sex that's bothering people, it's the fact the whole thing is about male control and the submissive woman. As well as a sexually inexperienced woman allowing an experienced man who's in to sexual games totally dominate her and of course in the end it turning out that all he needed was a good woman to change him. Basically it sends all the wrong messages. But it's fiction, if people like it then that's fair enough.

Also, gerrout of 'ere. Shoo! Go on! Go.
You're talking about D/S sex, right? Not social/emotional/financial etc. control? So, basically, some people are upset that there are lots of women who enjoy sexual submission? Would it be the kind of people who think that policing women's sex lives and shaming them for their sexual desires is somehow "feminist"?

Although it seems from the description that this book is the kind of story that unfortunately makes it look like people who like being submissive in bedroom are also going to be submissive in relationships in life in general, which couldn't be further from the truth (but apparently too many people still don't get that). If that's the kind of ignorant crap that this book perpetuates, then it might be as bad as Twilight in its implications.
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