RJDiogenes wrote:
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If you don't see how being a white straight male makes life a whole lot easier for you then you must be pretty naive. That's what
RobMax meant.
You really think history ended when the civil rights movement "won", huh?
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Your topic is designed to be vengeful, so it's not appropriate. If we still had the Hunk of the Week Thread (which I not only participated in, but occasionally hosted) and I somehow became the subject matter, I would expect to get a low score. However, my talents lie in other areas-- I post my stories, poetry, artwork and photography and accept all honest comments, no matter how critical.
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Nonsense, sure you'd like honest comments. I can believe that.
But degrading comments? Criticism that just makes fun of you and your terrible lack of imagination and writing skills and how you lack the intelligence to write anything that's even remotely interesting? (I'm not saying this is true. I'm just trying to illustrate the comparison.)
You'd ask for some kind of civil behaviour and rightly so.
That civil behaviour is what's lacking in this thread. And let's be blunt here: objectification of women has a long history and it's quite amusing how a self-proclaimed enlightened progressive just turns a blind eye towards it when it happens in our day and age.
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You're obviously very into your angry young man shtick, but there are plenty of other venues where that energy could be put to better use.
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The
iguana never seemed particularly angry to me but hey, I also love Philip Roth so apparently I don't mind "angry old men". Fine, the iguana isn't old but a healthy amount of anger is okay when it's used to expose bigoted, sexist, disgusting behaviour.
Although, for some reason I think the
iguana is more amused than angered by your attempts at justifying yourself now.
Uh... whuh? I'm the one who's anti-ideology and pro-rationalism, remember? 
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You can repeat it again and again but it's not going to make it more credible.
It really amuses me how you're trying to paint yourself as progressive and liberal when in fact many of your views are shamelessly backwards. Accusing us of seeing sex as "icky" is just so ridiculous considering who we are. Do you really believe this? I mean, seriously?
The two Italians who have absolutely no issue with sex or nudity of any kind in any media? Or
RobMax who is left-wing and progressive enough to be an honorary European?
We just seem to agree with the German constitution (of all things!) which states that "human dignity is inviolable". So it annoys us when we see blatantly sexist or misogynist behaviour objectifying and degrading women.
But obviously you won't question your own behaviour. In fact I don't even recall any outrageous sexist posts made by you, you just keep defending others who do make those posts. Does that make you proud? You don't write terribly sexist comments yourself but you defend the people who do because your whole agenda is to push back "silly PC feminism". I guess you miss the times when it was okay to treat women like that?
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I'm not shaming anyone. I think it's great. I'm trying to understand why she would think this sort of thing is "sexist" when she makes a living at it.
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See, that just shows how you don't understand it. I have no issues with women wearing revealing clothing, female beauty, aesthetic art, or the people expressing themselves through it.
I have issues with a sexist audience who's only interested in "I'd do her!". People who don't see these models/actresses as artists who create a piece of art with the director/photographer but just as objectified pieces of meat they "would do" or "wouldn't do because they got that boring generic supermodel look and an ugly forehead!!!1!".
Contrary to what you might think the vast majority of actresses and models is not doing their job just to make you horny. Unless they're the Playmate of the month which is a different story and so far the BOTW thread has focused on "normal" actresses and models.
I like both modelling and photography because I like the process of creating art and its results. Sadly I can't paint at all but I need something to distract me from writing my dissertation once in a while.
This whole discussion is a lot about the tone used in these threads. The people criticizing it don't have issues with talking about looks or giving compliments. When I go out wearing a nice dress I don't mind random compliments/comments even from strangers (Heck, I'm Italian.). What I would mind are tasteless or objectifying comments given in a degrading tone and that's what we don't like in this thread. Funny enough the Europeans I meet when going out seem to realize what's out-of-line and what's okay because I've never had any problems.
Anonymous guys on a web forum on the other hand can freely express their misogynist and sexist tendencies.
Nobody cares if a random nerd says "She's not my type." but making a degrading joke about somebody's looks or objectifying the woman solely as a sex object... that's silly.
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I never shame anyone. And all I do is talk about content, using stuff like reason, common sense, history and examples from real life. All I get back is PC sloganeering. It's like talking to Creationists.
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I love how it's always the closet sexist, racist or homophobe people complaining about political correctness.
As a sidenote "PC" isn't really a huge topic here in Europe. So we don't actually freak out easily.