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Old June 2 2012, 03:24 AM   #76
naverhtrad
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Re: Does anyone else dislike Keiko O'brien?

exodus wrote:
She was behind bombing the school and brainwashed the young Bajorian Engineer into accepting the death penalty as the will of their god(s). What conscience?
The thing about DS9 is that there are very few black-and-white situations and even fewer black-and-white personalities, morally speaking. Gul Dukat was a brutal gnocidaire, hubristic, power-hungry, a serial rapist and adulterer and - very nearly - a kinslayer, but - even as close as he came to being as pure evil as pure evil gets - he still could (at times) show genuine care for his family and his people.

Likewise, Winn Adami was a manipulative, cruel, remorseless seeker of power to the point of being (for all intents and purposes) a devil-worshipper... but Sisko could not have defeated Dukat without her help, however late the hour in which it was given. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying she's morally better than Nechaev or Dukat - indeed, in many ways, she is morally much worse. But her 'bitchiness' strikes me as being at a much less personal level; it's subsumed in her need to get ahead.

exodus wrote:
It's the military, she's an Admiral.
When does anyone in the military speak nicely to subordinates? People in the military are trained to be hard noses. When Sisko needed a job done from his subordinates, was he nice about it? No, he barked his orders and made his crew jump into action. There was a reason why the subordinates of the Enterprise were intimidated by Picard. Treks flaw at times is making the audience/fans forget that these people are soldiers and that orders and commands are rarely given nicely.
Being a hard ass is what earns you Admiral pips.
Or being a suck-up. But that's a whole 'nother discussion.

And there is a distinct difference between being a hard-nose (or -arse) and being a bitch. There's a reason I have respect for Sisko and not for Nechaev, and it is not (despite what you may believe) because of the show's perspective. I have no fault with Nechaev giving hard orders or giving them in a way which is not 'nice'. I do fault Nechaev for second-guessing her field officers' judgement in implementing her orders at practically every conceivable step, particularly given her poor assessment of their characters and of the situation 'on the ground' at certain points, just to make it clear that she gets to do so.

Sisko knows his officers (or at least tries to) well enough to let them do what they need to do, even if his orders are hard and not 'nicely' given. He gives Chief O'Brien several very difficult assignments (and no, you don't get to hear any more about them than what I tell you, and you damn well better like it), but knows the Chief's competencies well enough to let him do his job.

Anyway, this discussion is getting off-track enough as it is.

Back to Keiko, anyone?
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