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Old May 9 2012, 12:30 AM   #906
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Re: sf/f TV development news - 2012

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Yes, you've said that about other things, but you're stubbornly ignoring it when it comes to how Westerns are defined. So you're not even being consistent.
You'll have to explain that one.
I already have, and so have others. You just need to try listening.


(but then I don't see how ghosts and goblins can be categorized as Science Fiction ).
And you really don't see how that contradicts the premise that genres can overlap, or that a single work can contain elements of multiple genres? No, ghosts per se are not science fiction, but something like space travel or colonizing other planets is science fiction. So if someone wrote a story about a spaceship travelling to another planet and finding ghosts there, it would contain elements of both science fiction and supernatural fantasy/horror. So the story as a whole could be characterized as science fiction even if aspects of it constituted fantasy or horror. There's a distinction between the parts and the whole that you're failing to consider. (And indeed, there have been classic works of genre fiction that have combined ghosts with space travel, such as some of Bradbury's Martian tales, or Richard Matheson's story "Death Ship" which became a Twilight Zone episode of the same name.)


It doesn't exclude anything, except stories that aren't Westerns.
Which is a meaninglessly circular argument.



Granted that the Australian Outback is west of somewhere, it's not part of the American West.
And neither is the fictional world in which the Western genre normally takes place. It pretends to be the historical American West, and its films are generally shot in the American West, but the actual history of the American West was extremely different (for instance, gun duels were actually quite rare; the typical Western town averaged under two homicides per year, and firearms of the time were so inaccurate that one-shot quick-draw showdowns were essentially impossible). So most "Westerns" take place in a world that's essentially as much a fantasy locale as Middle Earth.


Only if they're wrong. A lot of producers of non-SF films identify themselves as SF, too.
And what makes you so much more qualified to judge what genre those works are than the people who actually made them? Who the hell are you to assume you know better than everyone else? If you disagree with someone, isn't there a chance that you're the one who's actually wrong? Or that it's ambiguous enough that maybe there is no simplistic right answer?



Wiki has a pretty good definition of Western, although they go off the rails a bit with Space Westerns and stuff.
In your opinion, which is circularly exclusionistic and not particularly useful.
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