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Old April 28 2012, 08:49 PM   #117
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Re: MLB Discussion - 2012 Season

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I wasn't trying to disparage Montero, I was trying to say that the Yankees really underpaid for Pineda and they should have wondered why.
What in the world? Pineda was considered a future world-class #1 starter, one of the best prospects in all of baseball, and his 173/55 K/BB ratio is ridiculous, and Montero is still considered a world-class hitting prospect, even though he can't catch. To say that they underpaid for him is patently absurd. Just about everyone in baseball felt the trade was pretty balanced, tipped a bit in favor towards the Yankees, and there's no evidence that Pineda was hurt prior to the trade. (If there were, Cashman would have been raising holy hell and trying to have the deal invalidated by now.)

In any event, the timeline appears to be:

- Pineda shows up to camp a little fatter than he should, Yankees make a fake show of him not being guaranteed a spot to motivate him

- Fans and media notice Pineda's velocity is down a little bit, even though it's early spring and a lot of guys are

- It becomes enough of a story that his roster spot is legitimately in jeopardy for some reason

- Pineda overthrows in his final spring training start because he's worried about his roster spot and tweaks something

- MRI comes up clean so they put him back out there

- Pineda fully tears his labrum in the rehab start

It is a rough injury, though. A torn labrum is usually a death sentence for a pitcher's career -- if Pineda manages to come back, I doubt he'll ever be more than a back-of-rotation guy.
I don't disagree with anything in your timeline about his injury.

However about the equability of the trade I'm sorry, I don’t see anyway the Mariners made out in this deal. If you're saying it was a win-win because of needs filled, I would kinda agree with that. However, for the price and length that they had Pineda locked up, they should’ve gotten much more. The Yankees clearly won this deal. They got a pitcher with MLB experience, a high ceiling, and they did so on the cheap. A single prospect, who's at best a DH.
Your persecution complex is kind of funny. I said, in the exact post you quoted, "the trade was pretty balanced, tipped a bit in favor of the Yankees." How in the world does that convert to me saying that "the Mariners made out in this deal?"

Montero was considered the fifth-best prospect in all of baseball somewhat recently. The Mariners traded a pitcher they knew they couldn't pay when arbitration came up for a guy who can fucking rake, and can easily become the next Edgar Martinez. I don't get why you continue to rag on what the Yankees gave up -- it's like you're rationalizing the Yankees' decision, saying "Eh, they didn't give up that much." A world-class prospect was traded for a world-class prospect. The Mariners needed a bat, the Yankees needed an arm. It's as simple as that.
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