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Old April 11 2012, 04:39 AM   #89
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Re: Play matchmaker for Janeway

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I never liked the whole C/7 thing; it just appeared out of the blue with very little background in my opinion, plus the idea of Seven getting together with Chakotay after having a romance with a holographic version of him is just plain creepy.
I also thought that was creepy but for 7 it was logical. And who knows how it is viewed when that option is always on the table, something we don't have. Trek doesn't explore the ethics of who you are sleeping with in the holodeck. Is it just one step up from fantasizing about someone? I would say it's a lot more than that but I don't live in that century where playing in holomovies has replaced passively viewing them.
I can maybe see the logic in her seeing Chakotay's qualities as a command officer being logical in the sense that he is a well-rounded individual, but it just didn't work from my perspective. I just found it creepy because it was a hologram of a real person, if it had been another hologram it wouldn't have been as weird.

If the writers had wanted C/7 to work they should have shown some sort of degredation in the relationship between Janeway and Chakotay (because even in Endgame there was still more freaking chemistry between the two of them than Chakotay and Seven!) and then shown how Chakotay and Seven's relationship developed as a result
See I think Janeway had chemistry with EVERYONE. She's a wooer of her crew. She has that whole touching you just as she asks you to go on the impossible mission thing. She's incredibly personal in all her interactions.
I totally agree. Janeway was always one to reach out to her crew in her own way; she wanted them to know that she cared about them, which I think was really important since they were stranded in the DQ and all.

Of course I'm not denying there was subtext there between Janeway and Chakotay. There was overt subtext between her and Chakotay and her and 7.
I'd say the subtext between her and 7 was more of a mother-daughter thing, but that's just me.

And when they returned home, absolutely they could have had a romantic relationship. As for Janeway being 'fate's bitch' I'm going to quote the good Captain here and say 'the hell with it.' Let Janeway have a little happiness.
In the books Janeway and Chakotay got together, declared their love, slept together for ONE night and then they promptly killed her. Which is like the biggest asshole move ever. Then they reduced Chakotay to a blubbering emo wreck for another book which sure didn't help his character any (apparently this was "character development".)

Though I've always enjoyed my J/7 I do think Janeway is more heterosexual than not and if they actually gave her Chakotay as a relationship I would be quite happy for her. I suspect if she does come back from Q-death in the next book there will be all this bullshit angst between them that will keep them separated much like all the bullshit angst between Picard and Beverly and Troi and Riker because they were having babies which apparently turns Starfleet officers in their 40's and 50's into soap opera head cases.
Ah yes, the novels. I was glad to see that Janeway and Chakotay finally got together in the books, but it was one freaking night (better than nothing, but still). You see I'm glad that Chakotay got some character development, but I think to myself "they developed his character by killing off another pivotal character". That just seems a little off to me.

Ugh, Before Dishonor. Don't even get me started on that frakking book.

I'm honestly not a J/7 shipper (because I view their relationship as mother-daughter) but I think that Janeway could be with anyone she wanted to and it would work, because it's Janeway.

If Janeway comes back in the new novel and actually gets to pursue a relationship with Chakotay I will be one happy bird . But there will be angst, no doubt about it. I can understand why, but at the same time I'm going to wonder is all Chakotay can do is wallow in angstness?

On a side note, I find it really ironic that Picard and Crusher get married and have a child while Janeway and Chakotay go through hell and only get one real night together.
"It's never easy, but if we turn our backs on our principles we stop being human." - Kathryn Janeway, "Equinox Part 1".
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