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Old March 16 2012, 03:37 PM   #45
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Re: Was Janeway a bit of a tyrant?

Starship Captains are all tyrants.

It's their job to make the final decision. That's okay when they always choose correctly, not so "ok" when they choose incorrectly.


JANEWAY: Evansville has offered to let any of our crew stay.
CHAKOTAY: What will you do about that?
JANEWAY: Maybe this is one of those decisions that the captain has to make for the entire ship.
CHAKOTAY: You may have a problem if a lot of people want to stay.
JANEWAY: I know that, but at the same time I can't take a vote every time there's a major decision to be made. And yet, we're a long way from Starfleet, and a lot of the rules and regulations I've learnt to uphold seem distant as well. Am I the only one who's so intent on getting home? Is it just me? Am I leading the crew on a forlorn mission with no real hope of success?

The problem with being the King... or Queen of the starship... with great power comes great responsibility...

Sacred Ground

Magistrate [on viewscreen]: Well, you've certainly done your research, Captain. I'm familiar with the story. I heard it as a child.
JANEWAY: It suggests that there's still a chance for Kes.
Magistrate [on viewscreen]: You're talking about a very specific case. Nevad was able to claim responsibility for the prince as a father and as a king. That's why the spirits were willing to listen to him.
JANEWAY: The Captain of a starship is fully responsible for every member of her crew.
Magistrate [on viewscreen]: So she is.
JANEWAY: And on that basis, I'd like to go through the ritual myself.

Great responsibilty to individual crewmen and to the ship itself. To protect them from unspeakable risks... even if it means...

JANEWAY 2: Hello. I'm Captain Kathryn Janeway. Welcome to the Bridge.

Great risks... even if it means going against what your valued crewmen advise...

Scorpion I

CHAKOTAY: I didn't want the others to hear this, but I think what you're proposing is too great a risk.
JANEWAY: How so?
CHAKOTAY: There's a story I heard as a child, a parable, and I never forgot it. A scorpion was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side Suddenly he saw a fox...

But the reason why crews tend to follow "tyrants" is that they usually get results. They usually are open to reinterpretation of the data...

Scorpion II

CHAKOTAY: I was linked to a Collective once, remember? I had a neuro-transceiver embedded in my spine. I know who we're dealing with. We've got to get rid of that last Borg and take our chances alone.
JANEWAY: It won't work. This isn't working, either. There are two wars going on. The one out there, and the one in here, and we're losing both of them.
CHAKOTAY: It will be your undoing.
CHAKOTAY: Our conflicted nature. Our individuality. Seven of Nine said that we lack the cohesion of a Collective mind, that one day it would divide us and destroy us, and here we are, proving her point.

But heavy hangs the head that wears the crown...


CHAKOTAY: We were faced with a difficult choice. We had the means to get home but using it would've put an innocent people at risk, so we decided to stay.
JANEWAY: No, no, no. I decided to stay. I made that choice for everyone.
CHAKOTAY: We're alive and well, and we've gathered enough data about this quadrant to keep Starfleet scientists busy for decades. Our mission's been a success.
JANEWAY: The very same words I've been telling myself for the past four years. But then we hit this void and I started to realize how empty those words sound.
CHAKOTAY: Kathryn.
JANEWAY: I made an error in judgment, Chakotay. It was short-sighted and it was selfish, and now all of us are paying for my mistake.

But even tyrants need their crew to help pull them back even when they can't do it themselves...

CHAKOTAY: You've known her longer than anyone. Have you ever seen her like this?
TUVOK: Only once. It was during her first year as a Commander on the USS Billings. She sent an away team to survey a volcanic moon. Their shuttle was damaged by a magma eruption and three crew members were severely injured. The next day she returned to the moon, alone, to complete the survey. She wanted the crew to know that their suffering had not been in vain. She could have been killed.
CHAKOTAY: Seeking redemption.
TUVOK: Precisely. Captain Janeway's methods are unorthodox. It is her strength as a leader but, unfortunately, it is also her greatest weakness.
CHAKOTAY: Stubborn as a Klingon.
TUVOK: To put it mildly.

And yes... she does make mistakes. I don't believe she planned to kill the man who helped steal the shield generator from her crew, leaving the Voayger crew who had once saved HIS ship, to die at the hands of aliens revenging themselves upon any starfleet crew for the atrocites the Equinox crew perpetuated upon their species. I believed her when she said...

Equinox II

CHAKOTAY: He's a loyal officer. He's not going to betray his Captain. Put up the shields!
JANEWAY: He'll break.
CHAKOTAY: Captain!
JANEWAY: As you were.
COMPUTER: Level nine authorisation required.
CHAKOTAY: Damn it, Kathryn!
JANEWAY: You're panicking. He's going to talk.
[Bridge] TUVOK: Captain, a fissure is opening in that section.
JANEWAY [OC]: Understood.

The fissure was opening, the aliens were about to come through, and Janeway was sure Lessing would give up his Captain to save his own life. But Chakotay, a loyal officer, who would give UP his own life for Kathryn's KNEW different. He knew Lessing would not break, and that he would die, and Voyager would not only be in the same boat but potentially worse off... because once Janeway realized she killed the man, her guilt would take over and make her a less effective Captain.

JANEWAY: Will you look at that. All these years, all these battles, this thing's never fallen down before.
CHAKOTAY: Let's put it back up where it belongs.

Janeway was a tyrant, she was the Captain, it was her job to get them home and to keep them on the path of "starfleet righteousness" so that when they got home they could hold their heads high and reintergrate into their society.

The Void

JANEWAY: Target his shields and fire. Lock onto whatever belongs to us and transport it to the cargo bay.
SEVEN: I'm detecting large quantities of food on his supply deck.
PARIS: Maybe we should take it while we have the chance. JANEWAY: Is it ours?
SEVEN: No, but our own reserves are running out.
PARIS: Valen wouldn't hesitate to take it from us.
JANEWAY: No, he wouldn't. We've got what's ours. Reverse course.

She's a tyrant.. who's goal is to get as many of her people home as possible. You may not agree with her... you may not like her... you may think she's evil incarnate.

But if she was YOUR Captain... it means the odds are you WILL get home, and in one piece.

Endgame I

JANEWAY: I'm remembering a young Ensign who wanted to fly into a Borg-infested nebula, just to explore the remote possibility that we might find a way home.
KIM: If I remember correctly, you stopped me.
JANEWAY: We didn't know then what we know now.
KIM: Our technology may have advanced, but...
JANEWAY: I'm not talking about technology, I'm talking about people. People who weren't as lucky as you and me. You said you and the Doctor wanted to keep things in the family, but our family's not complete anymore, is it. I'm asking you to trust my judgment, Harry, one last time.

"But life is a battle: may we all be enabled to fight it well!" Charlotte Bronte
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