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Old February 14 2012, 03:08 PM   #450
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Re: Why do people keep saying Voyager weakened the Borg?

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Point out where I said "There are not, and have never been, any individuals who are or were 'haters'."

That's different from claiming the existence of an entire LEGION of angry, Voyager-hating lunatics who were out to hate the show simply for existing from day one. THAT'S what you've claimed is the case, many many times, and that's bollocks.
No, not really. They don't have their own webpage or Anti-VOY Legion meetings, but there are plenty folks who just never liked the show right from the start for a variety of reasons: Woman Captain, "Lost in Space" knock-off, etc.

Sure it was. Since "VOY wrecked the Borg" is not one of the outrageous claims I was referring to, it's irrelevant.
But it's still a common critique made by the Hatedom.

So it's essentially made up; i.e., it has no bearing on anything.
So I use a name from a game that's not contradicted by the shows, forgivable.

Yes, and those sites are speculating. There is no way to know for sure, which is the point I am trying to make.
They sure put more research and effort into their findings and conclusions than anyone saying the TC is bigger and stronger.

Meaningless. The Sovereign is smaller than the Galaxy, but is tactically superior.
It really isn't significantly smaller, just stretched longer. Not the best comparison.

Meaningless. I can't think of a single instance in Star Trek where a ship - fielded by ANY power/species - was referred to as a "strategic anything". In Star Trek, "tactical" = "tailored for combat." That's how the word is used, throughout Trekdom, consistently.
I'm using real life terminology, Tactical is short-term and immediate combat whereas Strategic is the long-term war-winning stuff.

Maybe that's because it has less of the equipment needed for assimilating large number of people than the standard cube
Which again, indicates it's more for the battles and engagements before proper assimilation (With the big Cubes) and thus less powerful than the bigger Cubes needed to take out planets.

Seven said it in a vacuum, comparing it to nothing. She chose that wording as a warning, to try and give Janeway pause before she implemented a plan to attack it.
And without true comparison to other Borg vessels, it could just mean "Heavily Armed compared to that Probe you fought a year ago."

It doesn't mean LITERALLY NO ONE on the planet. It just means that at the most, a statistically insignificant portion of the group in question (Trek fans, and mainly TrekBBS posters) say it.
They do a better job of showing they exist than anyone who likes VOY, that's for sure.

I wasn't referring to "a sense of unbeatable doom", therefore what Screed may have said about that is irrelevant. I was referring to your EXTREME (as extreme as you can get; it would end the show) assertion that "people" wanted to see the Borg taking out the ship in one shot and other such nonsense.
We see the Borg one-shot killing Fed ships in "Emissary" and FC, that's what they're talking about and wanted to see happen in VOY. Nevermind that the ENT-D, ENT-E and Defiant don't get one-shot killed.

I'll try asking the question again.

Why do you continue to take arguments that someone somewhere made once, years ago, and throw those arguments in the faces of other people - people who never made them - accusing them of taking positions they never took?
Because the common arguments of VOY haters all come from those same arguments, one way or another. They didn't say the exact same things, but their stances are similar enough to indicate common origin.
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