ahh didn't know those two...
cheers, keep those in mind
i normally unload my entire front arsenal as i'm approaching, sort of get the first shot in and make it count... so it's normally a hargh'peng, and 2 duel phaser barrels... which does the job of getting their attention lol
Try obliterating at least one shield facing first and THEN hit them with the torp. Results are much better.
it can be a bit tricky, cause shields regenerate usually and even 1% of raised shields will migitate teh kinetic damage to around 10% of which only 10% bleedthrough damage gets through to the hull... or something like that...
NPCs cheat, their torps work obviously different for some reason.