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Old March 20 2011, 10:46 PM   #447
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Re: Typhon Pact: Rough Beasts Of Empire review thread

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... and a lack of interest in making sure that the Federation didn't have powerful death squads running about the galaxy?
Yes. Given enough time, people would shrug off the stories of Section 31 as "old news", long past, irrelevent to "our present time".
How much time?
It depends on circumstances--particularly unrelated events, major or minor, affecting the quadrant, diverting the attention of the people. It's amazing what ten or twenty years can do.

Well, just as most of Russia, I'd imagine, isn't of the same mindset as Putin, so most of the Federation would not be of the same mindset of Section 31.
You're arguing that people in the Federation care as little for democracy and civil rights as people in 2011 Russia?
Not at all--quite the opposite. I would imagine the people of Russia care very much for freedom, civil rights, etc. It's the government which cares less for freedom than, say, the Federation.

As I've said, the majority of Federations citizens probably would be upset--again, that's why 31 is so secret.

But I'd imagine it would spark a debate much like we're having here--just much more widespread.
You seem to think little of the Federation's citizenry. Why would there ever be a debate over the acceptability of Section 31 when the organization is clearly shown to inveterately violate norms of Federation behaviour?
Because the question would inevitably arise as to whether the "norms" had, indeed, kept the Federation safe...or whether it was Section 31 which did the protecting.

What is "normal" is not necessarily "right". That is why "progress" is such a popular concept.
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