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Old March 1 2011, 09:27 AM   #1001
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Re: Whatever happened to Starship Exeter?

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The movie also made the characters once again into people like they were in the first season and not the heroic types they became in the later seasons and into the majority of the TOS movies.
Y'see, it's statements like this that make me wonder just what in the hell you've been watching to come to this conclusion. Pine's Kirk bears no resemblance whatsoever to Shatner's Kirk, regardless of which season or movie, but especially in the first season. The same applies to every other character in varying degrees.
The same show you've been watching but without the rose-colored-Roddenberry lenses you wear. Nor do I treat canon as dogma or let it dictate what can be considered an "entertaining story."

You're right ... Pine's Kirk doesn't resemble Shatner's Kirk in the first season. But that's not the point I was making. The point I was making was that the characters were written as people, not generic heroes who could do no wrong. People who make mistakes, have bad judgments, get angry and sometimes use arrogance to mask self-doubt. Just like how they were treated by the writers in the first season.

Wait, come to think of it, Pine's Kirk does resemble Shatner's first-season Kirk. Both have an underlying self-doubt that is masked by bravado and both use women as a means to an end.

In "Conscience of the King," Kirk uses Lenore to get to Kodos. In the Abrams movie, Kirk uses Gaila to "cheat" on the Kobayashi Maru test (and, yes, I know it was cut, but the point remains).

In "Balance of Terror," we get a sense of the self-doubt that tortures Kirk underneath his sterling captain's image. Same again in "The Enemy Within."

In the new movie, Kirk scoffs at Pike's offer to join Starfleet and the context clues of the scene — i.e. Pine's acting — suggests that this Jim Kirk is also filled with self-doubt. Then later in the movie, Uhura tells Kirk, "I hope you know what you're doing." And Kirk responds, "So do I."

It's subtle but it's there, carried by the actor.

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