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Old December 6 2010, 05:44 PM   #54
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Re: Anyone else think they should have left the Borg well enough alone

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They just find some way of jamming the teleport engine's energies or something. Or it's just too burned out for usage as a weapon. They never once thought about the "Find a phaser frequency the Borg are vulnerable to and fire a huge blast through the Deflector Dish" thing ever again after BOBW either even though there are still phaser frequencies the Borg aren't invincible against.
See, this is what I'm trying to explain to you about writing yourself into a corner. If you're introducing a plot device that you only intend to work once, then along with the introduction must be a mechanism to terminate that device once it has served its purpose. That mechanism may be explicit (a line of dialog that explains that it will only work once) or implicit (we are told afterwards it's just a one-time thing).

The teleportation device simply doesn't belong in a storyline where it is not to function as a plot device. You can maybe use it again later and have it fail in the sense that "failure of everything we try" factors in as a plot device itself; otherwise it's like having a character win the lottery at the end of scene one and then telling everyone that he's broke again at the start of scene two.

Kes could "hear" them so her telepathy is compatible with theirs. So just get all the Vulcans and Betazoids onboard together with some device that can boost their telepathic powers and channel it into Kes.
And we would have obtained this device from where, exactly?

She "Calls" out to them
Why does she know how to do that?

(if she can receive, then she can send)
Why?

and VOY makes sure there's a Borg energy signature attached to the call.
How exactly do you imprint an ENERGY SIGNATURE on a telepathic signal? For that matter, what the hell is an "energy signature?"

The 8472 arrive to investigate the call by going for the nearest Borg energy signatures: A Borg armada or a Complex. The Borg attack, they retaliate and the whole place it blown to smithereens in the process while VOY watches. When the fight moves elsewhere they coast on by.
Thus accomplishing with five increasingly implausible plot devices--not least is an inexplicable amount of telepathic savvy on the part of Kes--what could just as easily be accomplished with five photon torpedoes and a couple of seconds at maximum warp (would this not be an absolutely PERFECT moment to showcase Voyager's often mentioned but never demonstrated cruising velocity of warp 9.975?).

The 8472 are too superior in weaponry, targeting and speed to not catch them and blast them in seconds for that to work.
What are you talking about? Voyager both shrugs off a direct hit AND outruns them at their very first encounter. When every ship in the universe moves at the speed of plot, just move the hero ship a teeny bit faster.

Eh, if they aren't interested in continuing that story and just want a decisive end, then the writers have every right to just say "They all killed each other...
The WRITERS can say that, sure. How the hell would anyone on VOYAGER plausibly know the outcome of a battle hundreds of light years behind them? For that matter, how is decisively closing the book on the matter--even if you have no intention of revisiting it--more dramatically pleasing than leaving it open-ended for the viewers to fill in the gaps with their own imaginations?

You can't run from the Borg, and if this is their space they'll be everywhere including in front of you as well as in back. And they'd also have to deal with the 8472 at the same time since you can't run from THEM either.
Except they can and DO run from Species 8472, so that's a non-issue. Besides, HIDING from the Borg has never been all that difficult, so trying to sneak through their space by simply avoiding them also remains a possibility.

If Farscape and Stargate SG-1 can get away with it, I don't see why Trek can't.
Perhaps because Farscape and SG-1 sucked?

Did Kirk escape from the Gorn in "Arena" or did he literally invent safety using convenient minerals around him?
Don't forget the premise of the combat scene: he was PROVIDED with those materials by the Metrons, all he had to do was assemble them. The presence of the weapons is established in earlier scenes and finally used in the climax; moreover, the sub-elements are DISCOVERED in the leadup to the final blast.

He doesn't just crack open the universal translator, pull a crystal out of it and then slice the Gorn in half with a laser beam that suddenly leaps out of it (ahem!).

There's never been anything that established their SENSORS were all that impressive.
But considering how powerful their engines and weapons are...
So what? You can install a nuclear reactor and a laser cannon on a fishing boat, doesn't mean you can see where the hell you're going.

With the El-Auriens I think they were still sticking to the "Borg don't care about people" thing. But BOBW showed they DON'T lose interest in you, unless there's a great goal at hand.
Since you've already suggested that this anomalous behavior can be ascribed to only a single cube (they might not all think alike after all) then the general rule may still apply. It certainly did in "I, Borg."

If a Fed starship was found in the DQ they sure as hell wouldn't just lose interest
Unless you simply write them that way, that a single lost Federation starship isn't THAT interesting to the Borg and they'll stop chasing you if you can stay off their radar for a couple of days.

But in the end, it's still just technobabble. No better than, say, luring the 8472 into a MAD conflict with the Borg.
You forget that "sleep, Data" was a last minute longshot that only Data thought would work, a confluence of plot elements that had been building to a climax and only came together at the last minute (where Riker's plan was to just RAM the fucking thing at maximum warp).

A MAD war with the 8472 would cripple the Borg to such an extent future writers wouldn't have to worry about them anymore...
Is exactly what screwed up Voyager's Borg handling in the first place. They found a really inventive and convenient way of mostly disposing of the Borg threat AND getting Jennifer Lien out of the cast in one fell swoop, and it was lame as hell.

You start to approach a story premise that has an enormous amount of potential, utterly fail to deliver, then abort the attempt in the middle of the episode so you "Won't have to worry about it" anymore? Really?!

I mean, if that's the kind of mindset of the show's creative staff it's no wonder it was such a piece of shit. "Gee, the fans keep demanding we do a huge Borg episode. How about we do a two parter where some more powerful race comes along and annihilates them so we can go back to cookie-cutter forehead-alien stories?"
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