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Old November 8 2010, 06:25 PM   #59
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Re: Some speculation about the Romulans and the Borg invasion

kkozoriz1 wrote: View Post
To summarize, the only thing Spock said that we should disregard is that there's 10,000 Vulcans left.
He never said there were only 10,000 Vulcans left, he said that there were only 10,000 survivors of the planet Vulcan. The "endangered species" line is one that should be seen as emotional hyperbole resulting from the extreme trauma of losing his homeworld and his mother in one swoop.

And, yes, people sometimes say stupid things when they've endured trauma. It's called being a realistically-written character.

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kkozoriz1 wrote: View Post
Seeing as Spock has just seen the destruction of his home planet and the death of his mother, it's entirely possible that he simply latched onto the first person who reached out to him, that being Uhura.
We could. Is there any reason why we must? We know that Spock and Uhura have a long professional relationship, one close enough that Spock's willing to respond to a bit of teasing and transfer Uhura to a new command on will, and close enough for Uhura to try to console him, even touching him physically. The idea of an emotionally strained Spock acting on romantic feelings he chose not to acknowledge is believable, and doesn't run contrary to what we know of the two characters, or of Vulcan (or human!) physiology and psychology.
True -- although, frankly, the impression I got from the "You're transferring me to the Enterprise" scene and the turbolift scene was that Spock and Uhura had been seeing each other for quite some time.

Also, revenge upon a helpless enemy is a good and valid action.
The Narada had already demonstrated an ability to survive passage through a black hole into other timelines. Nero had been given an offer of rescue upon condition of surrender; he refused. There was no guarantee that the Narada would be destroyed by its passage through a black hole again, and if it survived, there was every indication that Nero would attack and kill more innocent people wherever he ended up.

So, in summary, you have a hostile war criminal, who has already killed billions, who has refused surrender, and for whom there is a significant chance he'd pose a threat to more innocent lives once he escapes.

Yes, it's perfectly appropriate to kill him.

kkozoriz1 wrote: View Post
Have we ever heard of a Vulcan colony other that Vulcanis Lunar Colony? (absence of evidence <> evidence of absence and all that but still...)
P'Jem, for one.

ENT also establish numerous territorial disputes with the Andorians in the pre-Federation era. So it's unavoidable that there are Vulcan colonies.

kkozoriz1 wrote: View Post
Seeing as Spock is apparently shell shocked or suffering from PTSD for the remainer of the movie, why would he be allowed to not only ship out with the Enterprise but be named First Officer?
We do not know how long after the main body of the movie that epilogue takes place. The exact time frame is left deliberately ambiguous.

Even when Kirk says it may be the only way to earn peace with the Romulans, Spock chooses revenge.
I'm sorry, but that's akin to saying that if the United States Army is in a firefight with Osama bin Ladin and he's about to escape unless they shoot him in the back, they shouldn't shoot. It's just absurd.

Yes, capturing him (be it Nero or bin Ladin) alive is preferable, but if that's not possible in combat, the logical thing is to protect innocent life by killing him.
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