Thread: "Challenger"
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Old September 13 2010, 12:59 AM   #51
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Re: "Challenger"

Dennis wrote: View Post
It's also what I think.
Very well, but look at the very pics you've posted in this thread. The droopiness effect can be seen in more than one angle even in your less aggressively curved design. Quite simply, it's there and it's a little odd.

NOTE: have you noticed how the nacelles seem "off" (in terms of angle - dipping downward at the rear) in some physical model versions of the ship? Is this due to the extreme rise up front that you noted?

Dennis wrote: View Post
You know, the Excelsior is a remarkably popular design now, considering how widely it was reviled in fandom when there was any concern at all - for some months after ST III - in fandom that the next version of the Enterprise might resemble it. The most common complaint then was proportions - the nacelles were too long, the engineering section was impossibly long, the whole thing too squat. That the designers at ILM were so direct in expressing their preference for it and its advantages as a shooting model in public didn't help matters at all, and when one of them said in a Cinefantastique interview the thing about the existing Enterprise that the Abrams folks would probably never say - "I hate that ship" - matters went from bad to worse. Really, all this boiled down to then - or now - was "it's really different from what I expect."
The argument that designs are just different (that is, people simply didn't like it, because it violated "expectations" of the norm) kind of defeats the purpose of attempting to improve design, critique design, or evaluatively compare designs. I cannot, for example, really praise your design as being much improved unless we have an image/standard against which we make that judgment.

With regard to the Excelsior, it is IMO, a lesser design than the TMP ship. The nostalgia for the design, is probably driven by just that (i.e., nostalgia) compounded by the fact that we never really saw it on screen that much and never as the hero ship (the grass is always greener...). I think the Enterprise B was an improvement of the design, but no, it's not worthy of the iconic status that the TOS and TMP ships achieved.
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