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Old July 29 2010, 02:13 PM   #15
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Re: Guinan in "Q Who"

SchwEnt wrote: View Post
Yes, it was just on television so now I'm talking about it.
And yes, it is a great eps, I love it.

But what's the deal with Guinan?

Q flings the Enterprise into Borg space, and she knows it. And she knows about the Borg.
When Picard first asks her for help, she warns that they should start heading back now. She's right, and she did warn them. But pretty damn vague.

Then a Borg cube shows up. Picard asks Guinan to monitor and says he "needs her input"
All she offers is "They're called the Borg. Protect yourself or they'll destroy you."

Another sound warning from Guinan, but she should offer more substantial info.

Picard doesn't heed the warnings, and now a Borg intruder messes around in engineering.

Then there's a conference with Guinan.
Okay NOW she starts talking about how they come in swarms, in force. You cannot reason with them, you cannot stop them. Shoulda said so before Guinan!

Next comes the Borg attack that kills 18 people.

A *second* conference with Guinan and Picard asks again "how much can you tell us, anything would help"
And NOW Guinan talks about how the Borg are organic and artificial life that's been developing for thousands of centuries, yadda yadda yadda.

And my point is...

Picard usually heeds Guinan's advice and warnings.
This time, not so much. In fact, the Borg are the ones who really convince him to get the hell outta there.

And what's with Guinan? Picards asks--several times--for her advice, her input, her knowledge.

Guinan knows a Borg cube, knows the race, knows what they do, how they operate, knows they can outrun and outgun Starfleet. Yet she doesn't say anything until AFTER the sh1t hits the fan?

Waaaayyyy back in Ten Forward, Guinan should have said right then and there "Oh yes, this is Borg space. The Borg are a race of organic and artificial life. There are thousands of them. They are relentless. You cannot defeat them, you cannot reason with them. They will destroy you. Avoid them at all costs."

Because really... she said all that anyway. Only not up front. Why wouldn't she??

Aside from dramatic purposes that would have cut the eps short, if Guinan knew about the Borg, why would she NOT have revealed it all as soon as Picard asked at the beginning?
Probably because since the borg can outrun and out gun them, and will eventually destroy them all out there alone away from the rest of the federation, she probably figured they were all dead anyways and giving them warnings and to start high-tailing it back to federation space would have been like insult to injury..... like a deer locked inside some rich guy's safari hunting grounds..... you can run and you can try and hide, but you can't escape and eventually the rich guy in his jeep with gun you down with his high powered scoped rifle.

After having her own species and her own home destroyed and scattered across the galaxy, she at the time was probably not in the best of spirits seeing them again right in front of her while she's stuck in that "primitive tin can" called Enterprise D. (Primitive compared to what's needed to defend against the borg that is)

Also, Picard seemed to want to use this opportunity to explore and study the Borg like they were some sort of bug in a dish, so she insisted to Picard, quite adequately imo, to not be stupid and Gtf out of there before something happens because she knew they weren't ready for the borg yet and it was the borg who were going to be studying them like the bug.

But Picard decided to show how "s.m.r.t." we humans were and didn't listen.... which led to her explaining in further detail why they should listen to her and gtf out of there.

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