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Old July 5 2010, 05:56 PM   #107
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Re: What would a half-Andorian, half-Vulcan child look like?

StarryEyed said: The Chase was a nice effort to try to justify the mess but it fails miserably. All humanoids are NOT of the same genus; evolution does not work that way. Even if it did, creatures with dramatically different physiology like Andorians and Vulcans could still not produce natural offspring. How many times does it have to be pointed out that Humans and Gorillas are almost genetically identical and still can cannot breed?

I felt the whole point of The Chase is that the separate humanoids did not evolve naturally but were seeded b the Ancient Progenitors. So 'that's not how evolution works' is a moot point in my humble opinion.

StarryEyed also said: Click the link above to learn what a circular argument really is. The jist is that you start with an unsupported claim you present as a fact and use it justify another claim which in turn is supported by the original claim.


The Christian God is real because it says so in the Bible.

The Bible is true because it is the word of God.

TiberiusMaximus, did you miss all the explanations as to WHY it is not possible for two creatures with radically different physiologies to produce natural offspring?

You need to go back and reread the thread. There is no circular argument here. Biology is plenty well enough understood to know that hybrids are only possible among extremely close species - and that is between species with identical body chemistry. Imagine the absurdity of hybrids between species with different blood chemistry, different blood pressures, different body temperatures - on top of morphological differences and organs in different locations.
As for 'circular logic'...okay, so this post is not circular logic but it is going around in a circle. Some say 'it's not possible'. Others, like me, say, 'I hear you, but it happens in Trek. So in-universe it's possible.' It's like warp you honestly think it's possible? Or tachyon pulses? Or wormholes? Or non-linear aliens?
The Trek universe has millions of story possibilities. Some of the above concepts are necessary for some of those stories, and hybrids create many story opportunities too.
And after this, some of the people who disagree will still say, 'you're not listening. Hybridisation between two humanoid species is impossible.'
My point has been all along that most of Star Trek is impossible. If you can't suspend your disbelief to the point where you accept hybrids, that's fine by me. To each their own. But like I said before, there are levels of disbelief waiting to be suspended, and that is the basis of this discussion - or rather, the disagreement in this discussion. I have not missed the explanations as to why it's 'impossible', have you missed the fact that it happens in Trek? I choose to believe the Ancient Progenitors programmed that ability into their descendants/experiments, but I can see we'll have to agree to disagree. Again, to each their own. I don't feel like arguing anymore or turning this into an angry discussion, so I'll leave it at that. Have a nice day.
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