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Old July 15 2009, 06:49 AM   #25
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Re: Where do Trill symbionts come from?

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I have little sympathy for the "great Unjoined" based on what they did to the symbiont population...

You're going to hold the vast majority of Trill responsible for the actions of a small number of terrorists?

Tell me, do you also hold the vast majority of Muslims responsible for 9/11? Of Christians for the KKK?
It worked for the German psyche in the aftermath of WW2, which is a better analogy, didn't it?
It's a horrible analogy. Germany was a democracy that elected to power a totalitarian who then ended democracy but continued to enjoy widespread domestic support for his entire agenda, including rampant anti-Semitism, genocide, and aggressive war.

The vast majority of Unjoined, by contrast, were peacefully petitioning their elected government -- dominated by Joined -- for equal rights when a handful of extremists engaged in a terrorist attack using advanced technology to kill as many of the Symbionts as possible -- killing, if I recall correctly, plenty of other Unjoined in the process.

The analogy completely falls apart in attempting to describe the distribution of responsibility.

We're talking about the attempted (and nearly successful) extermination of an entire species, not an attack on a nation-state or ethnic/religious group(s). And a species with a centuries-long history of peaceful coexistence whose only crime (in this particular case) was not having babies fast enough.
Sure, it was an attempted genocide, but the nature of the crime is irrelevant in describing whether or not the majority of Unjoined are responsible for it. The majority are clearly not -- it was a small terrorist organization who killed a lot of Unjoined as they tried to commit genocide, not the majority or even a large percentage, of Unjoined who committed the crime.

How can you possible hold most Unjoined responsible for the actions of a few?

And let's not pretend that the Joined's hands were clean. They were clearly using their higher social status to deny equal access to social and governmental power to the Unjoined.

Of the various factions involved in that particular struggle on Trill, the symbionts (and maybe the Guardians) are the truest victims.
Everyone's a victim -- the Symbionts and Joined are victims of the terrorist group, and the Unjoined are victims of the Joined's social classism.

What I can hold them responsible for is thinking that symbiont partnerships could in any way be equitably disbursed and fomenting an attitude of violence that many hundreds were involved in - note the various firefights before the bombing.
Fair enough. But it's like Sisko said in "Past Tense" with regards to the Bell Riots:

Treat a man like a dog and you will get bitten.

Violence is the natural result of social oppression, overt or covert, and that's exactly what the Joined were engaging in. They were to the Trill as the rich are to Americans.

That doesn't make it okay -- but let's not pretend that anyone's hands are clean on Trill.
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