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Old May 16 2009, 10:29 AM   #184
chrisspringob
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Re: Lost Fifth Season Finale: "The Incident"

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No, we're talking about changing the timeline, not maintaining the current one. So, it does work. There's already proof of being able to change time. In the first episode with Miles with the kid. Daniel talks to Desmond in the past who suddenly remembers it in the future. He didn't remember that before.

Also, Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid were not supposed to go back to 1977 originally. Yet, Daniel's mom and Jacob have helped ensure that they will. Anything they do is different than the previous time loop. Their present in the past is already rippling to the present. The picture in the Dharmaville. That's an immediate change.

So, yes, things will look consistent to a point from the point of view of the characters in the present. But, we're talking changing the timeline.
I'm not sure I explained my argument clearly. i understand that you're talking about changing the timeline. But that would mean that there's an "original timeline" in which the Losties never went back to the 1970s and an "altered timeline" in which they did. But if that's the case, then the version of 2007 that we've been watching all season long is the "altered timeline", not the original one. We know this because there's a picture of the Losties from the Dharma era, and because Richard says he remembers them and "watched them die".

So nothing they did back in the 1970s prevented, say, Jacob from being killed. Because their actions are already part of the timeline that we've been watching all season, and Jacob was in fact killed.
Depends how time works in Lost doesn't it? Right now it seems like it can loop rather than create alternative time lines. We've seen that already. I've theorized elsewhere (oh, wait, actually in this thread) that what we're watching now may already be an interation in a time loop that goes around. A signiture of a time loop that is manipulated would be unusual concidences. What do we have in a lost, a bunch of unusual conincidences. The whys of that, I won't repeat but I've tossed it out earlier in this thread. It's a wild theory, I could well be wrong.

Mr Awe
I suppose they could do it that way, but I kind of doubt they will. I'm inclined to think that the time travel was largely a plot device to get the Losties back in Dharma times so that they could be a part of important events in the Island's past. I don't know that it'll necessarily play a big role next season. I'm thinking that maybe the nuke going off will just transport them back to the present, and the rest of the final season will be Losties + Others vs. Jacob's rival in the present.

While there's something weird with Desmond's memory, other than that, I don't know that there are necessarily different iterations of the timeline that change. Yes, Faraday said that they weren't supposed to be there, but Faraday is the one who was trying to *change* things. I assumed he meant that Jack, Kate, and Hurley weren't supposed to be there because their being there was already part of history, and Faraday was trying to change history. When Faraday was dying, he seemed to realize that nothing had actually changed, as he realized that his mother killing him was something that was already part of the timeline, and she had known that would happen to him throughout his life.

With regard to the Incident, it looks like the Swan going crazy and magnetically attracting everything is exactly what happened in the Season 2 finale. I assume that was the Incident. The nuke then goes off, but remember, it's only "part of the bomb", not enough to kill everyone on the surface, just enough to temporarily contain the "pocket of energy". I assume they still end up having to install the system with the button, and that everything plays out like it always did. In Season 2, Sayid even comments on how much concrete surrounds the Swan, and that he hasn't seen things being so reinforced by concrete since "Chernobyl", which I think is a hint that a nuke had gone off there. So again, I think the nuke going off was always part of history.

I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe they did change the timeline. But that doesn't fit with how TV shows, including Lost, normally handle such things. The nuke going off is one of those classic cliffhanger mysteries that usually ends with nothing of consequence changing. I think Juliet is probably dead, and the nuke may have somehow transported them back to the present, but other than that I don't think anything will change.
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