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Old May 7 2009, 12:55 PM   #204
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
Saw it at the press screening, and all I can say is that I'm oh, so glad that I didn't have to pay for it.
Yeah...

Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
Suffice it to say that I was massively underwhelmed. Plot contrivances,
Which ones?

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shaky camera, even in the CGI stuff,
Yeah, so?

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cringe inducing dialogue, a "Look at MEEE!" glory shot of the ship every five minutes,
Yeah, so unlike TMP or the other films

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all capped off with a closing credit sequence ripped off from the Lost in Space movie....well, let's just say that just about everything I said before I saw it, stands.
Or from Superman...

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Some of the more minor annoyances:
Yeah, lets hear them.

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Pink skinned Vulcans Y'know, JJ, there was a reason they painted Nimoy yellow way back when, and it's because of that green Vulcan blood.
Or was it his alcoholism... we'll never know.

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The Kelvin 800 people made it off, after getting the crap kicked out it, which killed how many? And this is supposed to be a pre-TOS ship? Sorry, but that bucket reeked more of TNG, both in capacity and in the crew complement, which apparently included families, another TNG contrivance that didn't make it past "Generations" (the Enterprise-E doesn't have families on board). The interiors also indicated a much more
massive ship, on the order of a Galaxy class starship.
Perhaps the Kelvin had colonists for that planet Kirk grew up on on board... But, nah... far too rooted in the 'canon' as an explanation for your arguement to work, isn't it?

Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
The technology Compared to TOS, most it, quite frankly, sucked. The front window/viewscreen was blurry and distorted,
Yes, when they recived transmissions from the Narada. You remember? In the times before and during the TOS-time they had difficulties communicating with the Romulans.

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the transporter didn't work half as well as even the NX-01's,
Because the high-energy beam from the Narada disrupted those signals.

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and the phasers, both shipboard and handheld, all behaved more like Star Wars blasters and turbolasers than their TOS predecessors.
And they sounded like the hand-held weapons from Galaxy Quest (they really did).
So what?
They looked cool and did their job.

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And need I mention Sulu's automatically unfolding katana, which helped him in his dashing impression of Luke Skywalker in the barge scene in "Return of the Jedi"? Or how the ships going to warp bore an uncanny resemblence to SW ships going to hyperspace? Should George Lucas be flattered or should he be calling his lawyers?
You have quite the obsession with Star Wars, haven't you?

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Delta Vega As an astute poster over on trekmovie.com pointed out, the name of the neighboring planet that Spock was stranded on really didn't have any bearing on the story, but by invoking the name of Delta Vega, the writers shined a big bright spotlight on this bit, making it quite clear that, deep down, they don't know what they're doing. A big part of "honoring canon" is getting the details right; otherwise, it's just meaningless name dropping and pandering.
Okay. Now it's bad they reference the 'canon'?

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Chekov Excuse me, but exactly when did Chekov turn into Wesley Crusher? Also, at age seventeen, he should be starting his first year at the Academy, not already be a commissioned officer. But then, these clowns clearly don't know a thing about military protocol, since they also take a guy who was a cadet facing some serious charges a couple of days earlier and give him command of their biggest and most advanced ship. At the very least, it's clear they wouldn't know the chain of command if someone came up and beat 'em about the head and shoulders with it.
Did you notice that Starfleet Command ordered all cadets to crew the orbiting ships?
Obviously Kirk was promoted to captain the Enterprise because of Admiral Pike's recommendations and the simple fact that he and his decisions saved the Earth.

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And my complaint about Spock still remains: He knows how to achieve a time warp, and he knows precisely what happened when, why it happened, and how to circumvent those events. So why doesn't he get a ship, do a few time jumps, and fix everything that got screwed up? He could not only restore the timeline, but finally cement a lasting peace between the Romulan Empire and the Federation.
Spock was dragged into the black hole and was immediately captured by Nero after he emereged from it in the past.
And what would you have him do?
  • Travel back with another ship to destroy the Narada? Well, she took care of that Klingon armada and the small Starfleet battle group real quick.
  • Tell everyone about Nero to save the timeline? But damn... he would contaminate the timeline in so doing.

There is nothing Spock could have done to prevent the destruction of the Kelvin that wouldn't have changed the timeline.

Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
So why doesn't he do this?
Because it wouldn't work.

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Because Spock has to have a sudden attack of the stupids in order for JJ to get his own Star Trek universe to run amok in.
No.

Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
Urban was good as McCoy, Pine was okay as Kirk, can't really grade Greenwood as Pike since we never got that much from Jeffery Hunter to form a basis of comparison, but taken on it's own, he gives a good performance, Yelchin was downright embarrassing as Chekov, Quinto just seemed to be PMSing all the time, and the rest of the cast was just sort of there.
Your opinion.

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The ship still looks stupid, and the decision to build it on the surface is the singlemost idiotic move in the entire history of the franchise.
Yeah... no...
Remember how they remote-controlled a brain-amputated Spock in that one episode?

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It didn't help that the "Riverside shipyards" were clearly a present day industrial facility, either an oil refinery or electrical substation. Engineering looking alternately like a water treatment plant and, like it is in real life, a brewery, only adds insult to injury.
It never really made any sense that in Trek all the machinery on the engineering decks was hidden behind walls and bulkheads.

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The choice of "Crap on a stick" isn't available, so I voted "Poor".
Big surprise here.
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