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Old February 1 2009, 11:28 PM   #19
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Re: List of Federation Members

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And I'm sure that there are plenty of foreign citizens serving in the United States Armed Forces. Nonetheless, it's safe to presume that the majority of officers and non-coms in the US Armed Forces are citizens of US states. So if I read in a novel that United States Navy Lieutenant James Smith was from Iowa, I'll probably assume that Iowa is a member of the Union unless it's stated otherwise.
Assuming is dangerous. In the absence of evidence either way, it's better to assume nothing.

Worf may have been born on Qo'noS, but he later became a Federation citizen. His legal residence prior to joining Starfleet was Earth, so presumably he's a citizen of United Earth (as a division of the Federation) in addition to being a Klingon citizen.
Which may also be true of any other Starfleet officer from one of the species on your list. The point is, just because a Starfleet officer belongs to Species X, that doesn't mean that Planet X is a Federation member. The X-ite in question could just as easily be an immigrant or the child of immigrants. What if the Navy lieutenant from Iowa were named Hiroki Nakahara? That wouldn't be evidence that Japan was part of the US.

Just kibbitzing here, but, Nog's lived on DS9 for most of his life, and DS9 was Bajoran property under Starfleet administration before Bajor became a Federation Member State. (Has the DS9 Relaunch established whether or not ownership of the station transferred from the Bajoran government to Starfleet?) So, presumably, Nog was either a resident alien under Bajoran law (no pun intended) or a Bajoran citizen. If he actually had Bajoran citizenship, it's entirely possible that he gained Federation citizenship upon Bajor's entry into the UFP.
But he entered Starfleet years before any of that happened. And the same point applies: the presence of a Ferengi in Starfleet is not evidence that the planet Ferenginar is a Federation member.

I think that's extremely questionable. Why would Data's being of a different species mean that he'd be denied citizenship of the colony he was constructed at?
Again, the point is not about the individual's citizenship, but about whether the individual's presence in Starfleet implies a whole world that's a UFP member. Which it doesn't.

Memory Alpha indicates that Omicron Theta was an Earth colony, so presumably Data would, legally, be a citizen of United Earth and therefore receive his representation on the Federation Council through the Federation Councillor from United Earth (from at least 2376 to 2380, Matthew Mazibuko), just like any other Federate born on Omicron Theta.
Yes, exactly. Colonies are not distinct member worlds and thus don't belong on the list.

The problem is that the stated number of UFP members is just so damn small, considering. The total list of worlds and species we've seen affiliated with the UFP in some way is far greater than the 150-odd membership figure that's been cited. So there must be plenty of worlds that are UFP colonies, protectorates, or allies but not full members. So I'm reluctant to add worlds to the list of full members too casually.

I'm not quite willing to conclude that it's shorthand for Alpha Centauri III, but I'm now disregarding my presumption that Alpha III is a Federation Member in its own right -- it could easily be a longstanding colony of United Earth, for instance.
I refuse to believe that there would be a planet whose full name is "Alpha III." That's just silly. It would have to be Alpha Something III. Unless it's a reference to a space station or something rather than a planet in another star system.

I'm not willing to make that assumption unless KRAD says so himself. Having said that, I had gotten the Federation Membership status from Memory Beta's list of Federation Members, but the actual Alpha Proxima article cites no reference to it being a Member in its own right, describing it rather as a colony.
The thing is, the only star in reality -- the only thing in all of astronomy -- that's called Proxima anything is Proxima Centauri, aka Alpha Centauri C. It's a unique designator (as it would have to be, since it means "closest," and there can only be one closest star). So what else could "Alpha Proxima" be except Proxima Centauri? There aren't any other Proximae to choose from.

Ophiuchus (there's where that extra H goes) is a whole constellation. "Mudd's Women" referred to a planet called Ophiuchus VII, but Harry Mudd may have been shortening a longer name. (And he mispronounced "Ophiuchus." It's "oafy ookus," not "Oh, fie, a cuss.")
I would presume that the name was later transferred to a single system and its planets (the same way "Indian" was transferred from residents of India to residents of North America) for whatever reason.
Unlikely, since there are plenty of other stars in the Ophiuchus constellation. Most likely it's just a shorthand. Easier to say "Ophiuchus Seven" than "Epsilon Ophiuchi Seven."

Ultimately, it's just one more case the TOS writers slapping together spacey-sounding names at random without rhyme or reason. Pet peeve of mine.
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