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Old February 1 2009, 08:19 PM   #17
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Re: List of Federation Members

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The list is based on a few key assumptions. To begin with, it assumes that if we see a member of the Federation Starfleet or an employee of the Federation government, then this person's species is probably a Federation Member unless otherwise stated.
I think that's a reckless assumption to make. We know of several Starfleet personnel who aren't from member worlds:
And I'm sure that there are plenty of foreign citizens serving in the United States Armed Forces. Nonetheless, it's safe to presume that the majority of officers and non-coms in the US Armed Forces are citizens of US states. So if I read in a novel that United States Navy Lieutenant James Smith was from Iowa, I'll probably assume that Iowa is a member of the Union unless it's stated otherwise.

Worf may have been born on Qo'noS, but he later became a Federation citizen. His legal residence prior to joining Starfleet was Earth, so presumably he's a citizen of United Earth (as a division of the Federation) in addition to being a Klingon citizen.

Just kibbitzing here, but, Nog's lived on DS9 for most of his life, and DS9 was Bajoran property under Starfleet administration before Bajor became a Federation Member State. (Has the DS9 Relaunch established whether or not ownership of the station transferred from the Bajoran government to Starfleet?) So, presumably, Nog was either a resident alien under Bajoran law (no pun intended) or a Bajoran citizen. If he actually had Bajoran citizenship, it's entirely possible that he gained Federation citizenship upon Bajor's entry into the UFP.

and arguably Data (since there was no civilization of androids with a seat on the Federation Council).
I think that's extremely questionable. Why would Data's being of a different species mean that he'd be denied citizenship of the colony he was constructed at? If we're going from the presumption that a sentient android is equal under the law, then, logically, his construction would be regarded as the legal equivalent of birth, and he would have the same citizenship as anyone else born on Omicron Theta. Memory Alpha indicates that Omicron Theta was an Earth colony, so presumably Data would, legally, be a citizen of United Earth and therefore receive his representation on the Federation Council through the Federation Councillor from United Earth (from at least 2376 to 2380, Matthew Mazibuko), just like any other Federate born on Omicron Theta.

Algolia - TNG: "Q-Pid"
I don't think that's the right name. I'd assume that Algolians are meant to be from Algol.
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But Earth is, and Cogley was citing historical precedents for Federation law.
No, he wasn't.

"Rights, sir HUMAN rights! The Bible. The Code of Hammurabi. And of Justinian. The Magna Carta. The Constitution of the United States. The Fundamental Declarations of the Martian Colonies. The Statutes of Alpha III. Gentlemen, these documents all speak of RIGHTS! Rights of the accused to a trial by his peers, to be represented by counsel, the rights of cross-examination, but most importantly, the right to be confronted by the witnesses against him a right to which my client has been denied!"
He was speaking of the universal principle of individual rights. He never said a word about the Federation.

Besides, ancient Israel, Babylon, Rome, England, and the United States are not whole planets, but nations. Who's to say "Alpha III" wasn't the name of a colony of another civilization rather than a separate world? It's too vague a reference to draw any firm conclusions from it. (Although I still think it's probably a reference to Alpha Centauri III, given the historical progression.)
I see what you're saying now. Good point -- you've convinced me. It definitely looks like he was arguing with regards to the evolution of Human law, which indicates that Alpha III was probably originally a Human colony like Mars. I'm not quite willing to conclude that it's shorthand for Alpha Centauri III, but I'm now disregarding my presumption that Alpha III is a Federation Member in its own right -- it could easily be a longstanding colony of United Earth, for instance.

Alpha Proxima - The Brave and the Bold, Book II
Probably an alternate name for Proxima Centauri, which is part of the Alpha Centauri trinary and thus presumably part of the same member state.
I'm not willing to make that assumption unless KRAD says so himself. Having said that, I had gotten the Federation Membership status from Memory Beta's list of Federation Members, but the actual Alpha Proxima article cites no reference to it being a Member in its own right, describing it rather as a colony. I'm afraid that I don't have The Brave and the Bold with me -- can anyone confirm Alpha Proxima's Membership status? I'm removing it from the list until/unless I hear otherwise.

Why are you treating these as different?
Probably because STSC called it "Arbazan," and, because of the sheer number of names I was dealing with, I didn't actually recognize that it's nearly identical to the planet from "The Forsaken" and thus more than likely the same world until you just pointed it out to me! Thanks.
Actually we don't know of a world called Arbaza. We know there's an Arbazan species, but Vulcans aren't from Vulca and humans aren't from Huma.
I was planning on listing it under "Arbazan" since that's what STSC calls it. My general rule is to accept something that Star Charts establishes unless a novel contradicts it.

Arcturus - The Entrophy Effect
Actually The Entropy Effect (no H) established Arcturus as a neutral world between Federation, Klingon, and Romulan territories. Which really doesn't make astronomical sense, seeing as how it's only 37 light-years from Earth. It was TMP that claimed the Arcturians as Federation members, though the portrayal of that species in behind-the-scenes material was rather implausible.
Fair enough. My general rule is to assume that if a member of a species is in Starfleet, his world is probably a UFP Member, but, as you note, The Entropy Effect establishes otherwise, so off the list it goes.

Aulac - Ex Machina
The name of the Aulacri's homeworld has not been established.
Memory Beta lists it as Aulac. I'll use that as a provisional name but note that it hasn't actually been established yet and is therefore subject to change once a novel establishes it.

Camus - STSC
That's an odd one for SC to include, seeing as how Camus II was portrayed onscreen as a dead world whose only occupants were archaeologists.
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We know that Catulla was not a UFP member as of "The Way to Eden." The Encyclopedia conjectured that they were applying for membership, but that's purely speculative.
The Memory Beta article indicates that its being a Member is supported by both the Encyclopedia and Worlds of the Federation, so I think we can probably keep it.

Cerberus - STSC
In TAS, Cerberus was a colony. Presumably colonies don't count as distinct members. It's possible Cerberus could've grown to become a member world in the century since, but we have no evidence of that.
Other than it being listed as a Member by Star Charts.

Ophiucus - STSC
Ophiuchus (there's where that extra H goes) is a whole constellation. "Mudd's Women" referred to a planet called Ophiuchus VII, but Harry Mudd may have been shortening a longer name. (And he mispronounced "Ophiuchus." It's "oafy ookus," not "Oh, fie, a cuss.")
I would presume that the name was later transferred to a single system and its planets (the same way "Indian" was transferred from residents of India to residents of North America) for whatever reason. Star Charts says it's a Member, and there's no reason that colony couldn't have grown into one.

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Hmm, would anybody be willing to cofirm Pakwa-than? That's one I've been wondering about ever since we met Ree in Taking Wing.
I don't know if it's been confirmed, but it's been established that there are "only 100" or so Pakwa-than serving in Starfleet. I don't see why that number would be perceived as being unusually low if the Pakwa-than weren't Members. Deanna also describes the Pakwa-than as having greatly enhanced the state of Federation medicine in Taking Wing, if I recall correctly. So I would infer that they are (subject, of course, to later novels' clarification).
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