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Old December 2 2008, 11:43 AM   #231
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Re: Star Trek: Destiny: Lost Souls - Discuss/Grade

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We all know what Andorians are like. They are warlike, impetuous, hotheaded, and militaristic.
Wow. Stereotype much?

They're also committed to sentient rights, the primacy of diplomacy over militarism, democracy, egalitarianism, and liberty, elsewise they wouldn't be part of the Federation.
But they don't stop *being* Andorians just because they are Federation members, do they?
But they're not as warlike and militaristic as you're characterizing them as being.

As I recall, upon learning that the Xindi were being manipulated by the Sphere Builders, they put aside their anger and forged alliances with the Xindi factions that they realized were not mindlessly aggressive, eventually enlisting Xindi help to save their world and establish peace between their peoples.
That only came later. *At the time* of the attack, Archer, Trip and probably everyone else on Earth - let alone their own ship - wanted to wipe out the Xindi completely.
Yes, that's right -- Archer and Co. went from wanting to wipe the Xindi off the face of the Milky Way to wanting to forge a peaceful alliance with them because he learned about their culture and realized he couldn't just write them all off as monsters. And Andorians and Klingons have known Humanity for much longer and in much greater detail than the NX-01 crew did the Xindi.

What makes you think that the Andorians and Klingons -- species that have long histories of partnership with Humans, species that have fought and died beside Humans, one of which has actually yielding its independence to forge a political union with Humans -- would just betray Humanity because a few Humans and one Caeliar happen to have been the origin of the Borg? Why would they do that, especially knowing that the Borg have consistently targeted Humanity before any other species for enslavement or extermination? These are not societies that know nothing of Humanity. These are not societies for whom Humanity is a cypher or a mystery. They've bleed together, and they know the wonderful things Humanity has brought to the galaxy.

It's fair to say that public release of the Borg's origin will prompt sadness and controversy. But to suggest that the Klingons, a race that has seen Humans sacrifice for their numbers time and again, or that Andorians, a people who have united with Humanity in common egalitarian and libertarian purpose for centuries, would betray their friends and allies? It is absurd.

it's important to keep in mind that the Klingons would also respect the fact that billions of Humans would have also been killed by the Borg
Or they could simply regard it as payback. We've all seen how easily the Klingons will turn on the Federation (they went to war against each other *during the events of DS9*, after all, and that was for reasons much more trivial than Tezwa *or* a Borg attack).
They went to war with the Federation because Chancellor Gowron was being manipulated by a Changeling into attacking the Cardassian Union and because Gowron regarded the Federation as a potential threat to his power base because of their refusal to support the invasion of Cardassian space. Martok is in charge now, and, in point of fact, there is no longer an effective High Council to push him in an anti-Federation direction -- the Klingon unilateralists, so to speak, are all dead now.

I don't see how different this is. Remember Narendra Three? In the alternate timeline of "Yesterday's Enterprise", the Klingons launched a devastating war against the Federation simply because the Enterprise-C *disappeared*!
You're severely over-simplifying. The Klingon unilateralist faction, which had always opposed the alliance with the Federation, had been, until Narendra III, stoking public sentiment against the Federation -- trying to play upon nationalistic pride to get Klingons to resent Federation aid and to feel resentful of and hostile to the UFP in the hopes of overthrowing the pro-alliance chancellors. In the "real" timeline, the Enterprise-C's sacrifice to save Klingon lives totally defeated the unilateralist faction's propaganda, generating admiration and sympathy for the Federation amongst the Klingons, thus preventing the unilateralists from eventually sundering the alliance and launching a war against the UFP. In that timeline, the lack of the Enterprise's sacrifice meant that the unilateralists' propaganda was never defeated.
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