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Old September 29 2008, 04:19 AM   #107
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Re: Borg or Dominion??

Sisko4Life wrote: View Post
The pathogen disrupted the entire collective, not necessarily destroy it (that was left open for interpretation for a reason).

I haven't seen that episode in a long time but what about that Sphere that pursued Voyager into the transwarp conduit, didn't it avoid the pathogen?
That particular sphere was one of the last vessels the Borg Queen "heard" she she ordered pursuit.

But regarding transwarp, we've seen Borg ships travel at transwarp independently. Lore's ship created its own conduits, and Seven (unsuccessfully) tried to install transwarp drive onto Voyager several times, showing that Borg don't necessarily need hubs. In addition to that, Voyager used a Borg Sphere's transwarp drive to cut their trip short. The cube from Q Who might have had transwarp, as the cube reached Federation space a full year faster than anyone expected in Best of Both Worlds, well after the Enterprise saw a cube outrun their fastest speeds.

I'm guessing that while transwarp itself is fast, the transwarp hubs make travel much more efficient and speedy (travelling anywhere in the galaxy in mere minutes) than standard transwarp, which could take any amount of time. And, again, the slowest transwarp speeds are still several times faster than warp.
Well, LaForge calculated a transwarp conduit was 25+ times the maximum speed of a Galaxy-Class starship, which is Warp 9.6 or ~3,000c or something like that. So the Borg vessels presumably would travel at ~75,000c. However, in Dark Frontier the Delta Flyer had to drop out of warp immediately when it was 200 light years out which suggests mind-boggling speeds. The Quantum Slipstream Drive from Hope and Fear is supposed to be nearly identical to transwarp technology (or could be faster, hence why they wanted to assimilate it) is listed at as fast 1.6 million times the speed of light. Anyway, the point of the hubs would be so that vessels wouldnt continuously burn their coils out since they aren't infinite (Voyager only got 20,000 light years from one).

I think we've seen the Borg attacked by genetics in planted drones, and uploaded viruses. Each time they had limited and localized effect that the Borg found and isolated from the rest of the collective. Even the Queen was local. Once damaged or killed, she was downloaded and recreated. Repaired and regenerated.
Uh, I only recall the Endgame virus, which disabled the collective. The one from Unimatrix Zero also disrupted the specific drones with the defect and wasn't really meant to destroy the Collective (I doubt Voyager's doctor figured out the means to do that yet). But yeah that is 2/2 so I don't see how it fails. The Borg Queen's death in ST:FC has nothing to do with the collective. She died, not carried a pathogen to infect the collective.

That's like asking what the state of the Dominion as a whole was after their defeat in the AQ.
Are you kidding me? The Dominion never fought on their own turf! For all we know, their first 2 waves of ships were all that attempted to go to the AQ, the first one was the convoys to Cardassia to fortify it and the 2nd wiped out by the Prophets. The Dominion was fine after the war. The Female Shapeshifter was just afraid that the allies would attack and destroy the Great Link since they all knew where it was.

Bottom line is, Dominion infiltrates the Borg collective network. Plants a genetically engineered Borg slaughtering virus and its game over. The Borg would have to commit thousands of ships and overwhelm the Dominion before this simple act is committed or they lose.
There are other factors to think about as well in regards to the Dominion in the Gamma Quadrant. We had already seen rebellious Jem Ha'Dar in the AQ. The Alpha Quadrant powers were just about the only force to ever go against the Dominion and win a major war in all of its existence. It doesn't matter that the Dominion had reduced numbers, a defeat is a defeat. From a political standpoint, that can definitely send ripples throughout Dominion space. Additionally, since there's more to the Dominion than just the Jem Ha'Dar or the Vorta who are genetically engineered to revere the Founders as Gods; all the races that the Dominion had conquered over the years could gain a bit of inspiration.

Or, if we're going down the more diplomatic route, it's more than possible that the AQ powers send representatives over, which could in the end, make the Dominion less militaristic than ever (a hopeful theory, but a theory nonetheless). Add to that that Odo is part of the Link now, an equal voice with the others. He himself is a very good and honorable man, who could do to the Dominion what Mirror Spock did to the Terran Empire and calm them down.

It's all conjecture for sure, but that also means that if we're talking about the current state of the Dominion, anything is up in the air and all conjecture. I'd have to argue that if we're going to take one side at the height of their power, it's only fair that we apply the same to the other. (Besides, according to Mike Okuda, the virus in Endgame probably didn't go very far. Since we didn't see this said on screen but rather said by a very long-serving Trek veteran, you can take that comment however you want)
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