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Silversmok3 June 4 2009 03:48 AM

Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
What happens back in the 24th century,now that the Romulans have no home planet?IIRC they still had some political issues to sort out before the Hobus Nova blew away the Romulan (and Reman,by extension) HQ.

BTW,I'm excluding any events in 'Countdown' from my quiry and am focusing exclusively on what's seen on film,although its safe to assume what destroys Romulus will probably hurt Remus badly given the worlds' proximity to each other.

BriGuy June 4 2009 03:55 AM

Re: Now that Romulus is history...
 
The Romulans in the prime timeline are in the same boat as the Vulcans in the alternate timeline, I'd think. Although there's no info on how many survivors there were from Romulus, whereas we were told the survivor count from Vulcan was in the range of 10,000 - substantially less than the survivor count from the new BSG.

M'Sharak June 4 2009 03:59 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
Thread title amended to remove spoilers.

Peter the Younger June 4 2009 04:18 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
Well they do have an empire to fall back on, although the loss of life, culture, and production would be crippling. I expect various colonial governors and military officials would try to seize control, and a big ol' civil war would break out. Also, The Klingons would no doubt be tempted to take advantage of the situation, too.

Come to think of it, that might tie nicely into the Star Trek MMO timeline: if the Klingons did try to make a grab for Romulan space, the Federation would no doubt oppose it, and the khitomer Accords would collapse (again.) This would fit the situation that is supposedly going to exist at the outset of the game.

JediKnightButler June 4 2009 04:18 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
Of course, it's always possible that the future Romulus might NOT be destroyed since the *prime* timeline has been altered as a result of Nero's actions.:confused:

Rķu rķu, chķu June 4 2009 04:20 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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butlerd wrote: (Post 3042783)
the *prime* timeline has been altered as a result of Nero's actions.:confused:

No, it hasn't.

Silversmok3 June 4 2009 04:37 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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butlerd wrote: (Post 3042783)
Of course, it's always possible that the future Romulus might NOT be destroyed since the *prime* timeline has been altered as a result of Nero's actions.:confused:

Even in the alternate timeline,the Hobus star is *still* gonna bust a Nova.If Romulus doesn't get its act together ..again... Its still gonna get wasted in the alternate 24th century...again.

Unless Nero spent some of those 25 years trying to move the Hobus star with the Narada..

pookha June 4 2009 04:45 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
who knows romulans may ask for peace after what happened to vulcan.
it may be a shock to the system at just how dangerous their unbridled passions can be.

as for romulan empire prime..
evidently it took a lot of time and war, conflict to keep it together.
they evidently had been dealing with internal wars just before balance of terror.

there already were signs things were coming apart ,, that draconian measures were not working as well.
now the homeworld and possible the entire solar system of the home world is gone.

it depends just how spread out was the romulan military infrastructure.
it could be civil war or a rebellion.

startrekwatcher June 4 2009 04:46 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
I have no objection to the destruction of Romulus. My problem was that it was treated simply as a means to an end. I guess Abrams point of view is that the film isn't about the prime universe but this new rebooted one so very little focus should be given it--so most non-fans would care less.

But as a long time fan I was disappointed that the last we see of the 24th century, of the prime universe and of Romulus is a 30 second at most quick flash of it being destroyed. I didn't like being left hanging like that. In fact, the more I think about it the more I'm interested in the late 24th century, the prime universe and the destruction of Romulus than I am in the 23rd century and Vulcan's destruction.

Frankly, if the Romulan civilization was going to be annihilated I would have much preferred it to have received a better treatment. I've always found the rumored idea by Maurice Hurley of having the Federation discover it was destroyed/assimilated by the Borg to have been a better sendoff than this.

JediKnightButler June 4 2009 04:47 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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Babaganoosh wrote: (Post 3042786)
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butlerd wrote: (Post 3042783)
the *prime* timeline has been altered as a result of Nero's actions.:confused:

No, it hasn't.

Ummmmm.......Vulcan no longer exists?

And who knows how that (or any number of other things) might affect Romulus' existence and/or the ability of the Federation to prevent the catastrophe that befell it?

FalTorPan June 4 2009 05:13 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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startrekwatcher wrote: (Post 3042856)
I have no objection to the destruction of Romulus. My problem was that it was treated simply as a means to an end. I guess Abrams point of view is that the film isn't about the prime universe but this new rebooted one so very little focus should be given it--so most non-fans would care less.

After their great re-introduction in TNG's "The Neutral Zone," helped in large part by Andrew Probert's incredibly cool Warbird ship design, the Romulans quickly devolved into generic, black hat-wearing, bad-for-badness sake villains. Few species of the 1.0 universe's 24th century interested me less than the Romulans did.

xman June 4 2009 05:15 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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Babaganoosh wrote: (Post 3042786)
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butlerd wrote: (Post 3042783)
the *prime* timeline has been altered as a result of Nero's actions.:confused:

No, it hasn't.

Has too!

Bonzo the Fifth June 4 2009 05:27 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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FalTorPan wrote: (Post 3042937)
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startrekwatcher wrote: (Post 3042856)
I have no objection to the destruction of Romulus. My problem was that it was treated simply as a means to an end. I guess Abrams point of view is that the film isn't about the prime universe but this new rebooted one so very little focus should be given it--so most non-fans would care less.

After their great re-introduction in TNG's "The Neutral Zone," helped in large part by Andrew Probert's incredibly cool Warbird ship design, the Romulans quickly devolved into generic, black hat-wearing, bad-for-badness sake villains. Few species of the 1.0 universe's 24th century interested me less than the Romulans did.

Indeed... The Romulans as a story race had an ongoing identity crisis, as the Klingons filled the role of the 'warrior' race. For a while, the Romulans tended to be masters of spycraft, subterfuge, and indirect warfare... then the Cardassians came along and did it FAR better, leaving them with little to no niche left to inhabit, except as the Alpha Quadrant's resident contrarian race... which, frankly, made them predictable and boring...

Rķu rķu, chķu June 4 2009 05:29 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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butlerd wrote: (Post 3042861)
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Babaganoosh wrote: (Post 3042786)
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butlerd wrote: (Post 3042783)
the *prime* timeline has been altered as a result of Nero's actions.:confused:

No, it hasn't.

Ummmmm.......Vulcan no longer exists?

That's in *this* timeline. The timeline of the 2009 film. This does not overwrite (or change in any way) the original, i.e. 'prime' timeline.

clint g June 4 2009 05:31 AM

Re: Romulus in Prime timeline [spoilers]
 
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FalTorPan wrote: (Post 3042937)
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startrekwatcher wrote: (Post 3042856)
I have no objection to the destruction of Romulus. My problem was that it was treated simply as a means to an end. I guess Abrams point of view is that the film isn't about the prime universe but this new rebooted one so very little focus should be given it--so most non-fans would care less.

After their great re-introduction in TNG's "The Neutral Zone," helped in large part by Andrew Probert's incredibly cool Warbird ship design, the Romulans quickly devolved into generic, black hat-wearing, bad-for-badness sake villains. Few species of the 1.0 universe's 24th century interested me less than the Romulans did.

I actually felt the opposite way. Out of the big three powers (the klingons, romulans, and federation) i found the romulans to be the most interesting, simply because of their sneaky ways


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