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Captain59 May 8 2009 03:49 AM

ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
I think this would get completely buried in the Star Trek XI forum, which is why I'm posting this here and hopefully it's appropriate. See below...
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First, I think all of us have heard about the reference Scotty makes to "Admiral Archer's famous beagle," which he does say. Two things I didn't read about though is that Kirk says, "oh, I know that dog." And when Kirk asks how the dog is doing, Scotty says he'll let him know when he shows up. So, the dog doesn't necessarily die...we don't know his fate. And, I think it's pretty cool that Kirk knows about Archer's dog...which is probably Porthos the Tenth by this point.

I think I picked up on another ENT reference earlier in the film. When McCoy is giving Kirk medication to make him appear sick, I swear I heard McCoy reference a name or procedure with Phlox's name. If so, I'm wondering exactly what he's referring to and if it's actually something related to ENT, or just a random reference to Phlox...which is cool, anyway.

That's all I picked up on. I didn't see anything relating to ENT, but I could have missed something. I'm looking forward to getting the book on Tuesday to see if the novelized version expands at all on any of this.

BTW, the movie ROCKS!

pookha May 8 2009 01:12 PM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
the kelvin uniforms are a point in betweeen the enterprise desert uniforms and the later tos style ones.

Captain59 May 8 2009 05:53 PM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
^ Interesting. Can anyone find a picture of the Kelvin uniforms? I'm having no luck. (Someone also said the Kelvin communicators looked like TOS communicators, but I can't find a pic of those either.)

cooleddie74 May 8 2009 08:37 PM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
Yeah, with the altered timeline/history in this new reality(at least for the next couple of films anyways)ENTERPRISE is probably the only remnant of the original history that can be safely referenced now.

Captain59 May 8 2009 10:38 PM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
I like that...a little retribution for ENT. Also, I believe Archer was the only character from a spinoff Trek mentioned.

Corran Horn May 8 2009 11:33 PM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
Saw it for the second time today. The closest McCoy gets to 'Phlox' is 'flop sweat'.

commodore64 May 9 2009 06:59 AM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
Captain 59, I think you're right. Okay, so ... was Archer Scotty's instructor? Or did Archer volunteer his dog. And does that mean that the episode Dadelus is more important now b/c Scotty essentially pulls off what Archer's longtime father-figure wanted to do?

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ENTERPRISE is probably the only remnant of the original history that can be safely referenced now.
OMG - you're right. That's ironic, huh?! I also think it's safe to say the Cage (Menagerie) happened beforehand. Other than that, all bets are off.

Someone had a quote from Bakula up that indicated Paramount probably wishes it could have Enterprise again for the new excitement about XI. You know, based on the movie and where it took the storyline, I agree.

One comment: Urban was the best McCoy I've ever seen. I think he either embodied or improved on what DeForrest gave us.

M May 9 2009 07:13 AM

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commodore64 wrote: (Post 2923785)
I also think it's safe to say the Cage (Menagerie) happened beforehand.

Unfortunately no, that's not safe to say. In the movie Pike talks about it being the Enterprise's maiden voyage. It was pretty clear to me that there weren't any missions before that.

teacake May 9 2009 07:18 AM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
As a huge ENT fan I was rather chuffed that Archer got that mention. I know if pisses a few anti-ENT folks off, LOL.

Sorry to hear there was no Phlox mention, I'm going again tonight so I will listen just in case :)

pookha May 9 2009 07:42 AM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
time got changed even before the cage..
30 years in the past...

and i dont think it was jonathan archer who was the admiral but rather one of his descendents..

commodore64 May 9 2009 07:44 AM

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NCC-1701 wrote: (Post 2923845)
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commodore64 wrote: (Post 2923785)
I also think it's safe to say the Cage (Menagerie) happened beforehand.

Unfortunately no, that's not safe to say. In the movie Pike talks about it being the Enterprise's maiden voyage. It was pretty clear to me that there weren't any missions before that.

Ah, I didn't hear maiden voyage. It seemed like before Kirk got there some folks were already assigned. Although, I've only seen it once!

Teacake, not me. I thought it was awesome.

lceb May 9 2009 09:01 AM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
If i remember correctly Pike said something to Spock about the ship being brand new. I believe all the ships that went to Vulcan with cadets were new.
It was nice to hear about Admiral Archer's beagle even though it's fate was not the best!

lceb May 9 2009 09:03 AM

Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS
 
If I remember correctly Pike said something to Spock about the ship being brand new. I believe all the ships that went to Vulcan with cadets were new.
It was nice to hear about Admiral Archer's beagle even though it's fate was not the best!

Captain59 May 9 2009 03:55 PM

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lceb wrote: (Post 2924167)
It was nice to hear about Admiral Archer's beagle even though it's fate was not the best!

I have been told he's mentioned again in the novelized version at least, which I'm getting on Tuesday. Actually, I know what it says, but don't want to spoil it. If anyone can tell me how to use spoiler tags, I'll post it.

Mach5 May 9 2009 04:02 PM

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Captain59 wrote: (Post 2925235)
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lceb wrote: (Post 2924167)
It was nice to hear about Admiral Archer's beagle even though it's fate was not the best!

I have been told he's mentioned again in the novelized version at least, which I'm getting on Tuesday. Actually, I know what it says, but don't want to spoil it. If anyone can tell me how to use spoiler tags, I'll post it.

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