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Starbreaker April 2 2009 04:16 AM

Measure of a Man
I watched Measure of a Man for the first time in several years yesterday. I think this is one of TNG's best episodes. Considering it's basically a courtroom drama episode set in the 24th century, I think that's kind of cool. I'm usually not a big fan of any TV show or movie where people just sit around and talk, but this episode was nicely done, and I didn't even think for a second that it was twenty years old.

CorporalClegg April 2 2009 04:23 AM

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It's one of mine too. I really liked Phillipa. Of all of Picard's women, she was my favorite and the best fit for him.

One of my biggest TNG disappointments is they never brought McBroom back.

Unicron April 2 2009 04:25 AM

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It's definitely one of TNG's better eps, although I do think it could use a little improvement. Maddox's threat to remove Data seems like more of a plot device than a genuine problem regarding his sentience, since it is clear he was in the minority even when Data asked to enroll at the academy. And it becomes evident very quickly that fully proving Data's non-sentience would be extremely difficult, so Maddox has to go for the ruling that he is ultimately property of Starfleet.

* shrugs * I think this plot line was done a little better in "The Offspring." But the characters are handled very well for the most part. I don't think Maddox is exactly bigoted per se, but I think he'd be a better character if he wasn't presented as a voice in the wilderness.

Too Much Fun April 2 2009 10:57 AM

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CorporalClegg wrote: (Post 2785879)
It's one of mine too. I really liked Phillipa. Of all of Picard's women, she was my favorite and the best fit for him.

Nice to see this episode getting some love. One of my top 5 favourites. This exchange between Picard and Philippa is probably the most hilarious way of setting up a date I've ever heard:

Philippa: "You buying?"

He doesn't bother asking her, "would you like to have dinner with me, tonght?". No, he just says "PHILIPPA, DINN-UH", like he's a caveman or Tarzan or something. :lol:

neogothboy74 April 2 2009 01:28 PM

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I actually think this is Next Gen's first truly GREAT episode. It holds up extremely well. It's got as much continuity as Next Gen episodes were likely to have. It had a real issue. And the conflict between the characters didn't feel nearly as forced as it often did on the ship where everybody got along all the time. :)

Savage Dragon April 2 2009 02:54 PM

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I remember liking it quite a bit but I haven't seen it in years. Come to think of it, I haven't seen any TNG episode in years. I'm going to have to do something about that!

john titor April 3 2009 02:10 AM

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One of the best trek episodes ever and where its at imo as regards trek ie high minded intellectual concepts. The script writing is amazing. Picard has some incredibly eloquent lines, which you don't see normally in tv shows with most of them being dumbed down. Its so good it was even used in one of my philosophy lectures. infinity/10.

Tomalak April 3 2009 03:46 AM

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Great episode. I actually think these talky episodes, in which Picard prevails with a rousing speech on a moral or intellectual point, are usually TNG's most effective.

Stewart can do these in his sleep, and it's great to give him something meaty as opposed to the more sci-fi/action oriented episodes. He really looks like he's relishing them, which is wonderful to see. Episodes like The Drumhead, First Duty, Devil's Due, Who Watches the Watchers and The Offspring are some of my all-time Trek favourites.

Savage Dragon April 3 2009 09:27 AM

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^I couldn't agree more. Stewart was at his best when he was given those kinds of scripts.

john titor April 3 2009 02:25 PM

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I also think the speeches added a nice eccentricity, or layer of complexity depending on which view you take, to Picards character.

Forbin April 3 2009 02:52 PM

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I think one of the purposes of true "science fiction" is to examine the human condition from an outside perspective, and to discuss what it means to be human. This episode has that in spades. I put it in the top ten Trek episodes of all time.

I still get chills when Picard says, "Starfleet was founded to seek out new life. Well there it sits. Waiting."

CorporalClegg April 3 2009 04:03 PM

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Tomalak wrote: (Post 2789517)
Stewart can do these in his sleep

Which suddenly turned him into a "great actor." The funny thing is, when ever he had to actually act, he sucked.

Ro_Laren April 3 2009 04:46 PM

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This has always been one of my least favorite episodes... I think it is because over the years Star Trek will have episodes trying to show that androids/holograms are sentient beings with souls and I just can't agree with that.

Evil_Kirkneivel April 3 2009 04:58 PM

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“Your honor, Starfleet was founded to seek out new life, well THERE IT SITS…waiting.”
- Picard

Yes, I love those Picard moments. As others said, many of the best episodes are the ones where he gets some meatier lines.

Alrik April 3 2009 05:27 PM

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I would have to agree. This is a really good Ep. Everyone is talking about Stewart, and I would have to go along with that, but Frakes did a really good job in this one as well.

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