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Dingo March 27 2009 07:34 AM

Keeping Pets in Starfleet...
 
I wonder what the policy for keeping pets in Starfleet is? I know Data had Spot, Zack Kebron in New Frontier has goldfish, and the like. I suppose it depends on the ship, the captain, and the policies thereof, at least canon seems to establish that.

I ask because a Voyager fanfiction character I'm writing had a dog at his last post, an American Staffordshire Terrier, when he was based near the Bajoran frontier on a starbase. He obviously didn't take his dog on the mission, but he does have one.

Timo March 27 2009 07:49 AM

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The E-D would probably have very relaxed rules, as she also tolerates kids running around her corridors. Vessels operating in the TNG era but built decades earlier might have limitations due to the lack of facilities or safeguards, though. But I'd assume both your starbase and Voyager would have facilities capable of handling a dog or a dozen.

Would TOS era regulations be stricter, just because TOS imitates the uptight 1960s rather than the easygoing 1980s? Hard to tell. The ship rather easily absorbed a flock of kids in "And the Children Shall Lead", at any rate.

In "Man Trap", we were introduced to some plants that, while supposedly sessile, seemed to lead rather active lives... They'd probably count as pets of sorts. We didn't see pets in crew quarters or workspaces until "Trouble with Tribbles" - but remarkably, when those little balls of fur did come aboard, there was absolutely no mention of a regulation that would have limited their presence or freedom of movement. So I'd say most pets in TOS would be okay, too. And the ENT era is of course well covered by the Beagle Clause.

Timo Saloniemi

Dingo March 27 2009 10:42 AM

Re: Keeping Pets in Starfleet...
 
Thanks Timo. Looks like Rufe the AmStaff may appear in later fics of mine (I'm assuming in the 24th Century Breed Specific Legislation was ruled as idiotic and no longer exists).

Crewman47 March 27 2009 04:15 PM

Re: Keeping Pets in Starfleet...
 
Question is though, where do you take said pet to do it's needs and what about where it stays? We know that Spot on occasion walked the corridors of the E-D, (although how he did that is another question), but if they are walking about freely then there must be someone other than the owner who watches where they are and makes sure they don't leave any little surprises for anyone else to find.

Dingo March 27 2009 05:37 PM

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Possibly the old fashion pooper scooper and taking said pet wastes to a waste extraction system?

KimM March 27 2009 09:02 PM

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If people poop is recycled (ENT) then pet poop is too - and owners of course would be responsible for their pets as they are now (um, yeah :vulcan:).

captcalhoun March 27 2009 10:26 PM

Re: Keeping Pets in Starfleet...
 
mayhap pets are allowed to poop on the arboretum decks, where it can be used for compost...

Praetor March 27 2009 10:59 PM

Re: Keeping Pets in Starfleet...
 
My personal rule of thumb would be that if families are allowed aboard, so are non-contained pets. Fish or any aquarium/terrarium pets are to my thinking different than dogs, cats, or anything that needs to roam around. This may be oversimplifying, but if you can't have your kid aboard, I don't think you should have your puppy aboard either.

One might also argue that the plants (Beauregard :)) in TOS were part of the ship's botanical research and not strictly personal pets.

What are real-world military regulations like?

JustKate March 27 2009 11:01 PM

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No pets allowed on board ship, of course, but then again, no families, either.

On base all that's allowed...maybe a starship is sort of half ship, have base?

Cakes488 March 27 2009 11:03 PM

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I distinctly remember that Kirk had this large snake....and if I remember right his name was Lefty...anyone else recall that?

sbk1234 March 27 2009 11:08 PM

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Aquial had a dog, too. She was stationed on a base, and the dog did kill a bunch of people. But, no situation is perfect.

Jono March 28 2009 02:34 PM

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Quote:

Cakes488 wrote: (Post 2765746)
I distinctly remember that Kirk had this large snake....and if I remember right his name was Lefty...anyone else recall that?

As in the "snake" he promised to show new young female ensigns that joined the crew?

JiNX-01 March 28 2009 03:21 PM

Re: Keeping Pets in Starfleet...
 
Janeway had dogs but didn't take them along on her mission. Of course, she had a fiance, too, but he wasn't on board either. In fact, I don't recall any civilians being on board until Voyager reached the delta quadrant, .

Praetor March 28 2009 04:24 PM

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I'd argue that even in a pre-Dominion War Starfleet where ships from big to small (Enterprise-D to Sisko's Saratoga) appear to allow civilians and presumably therefore pets, some missions do not, like Voyager's initial mission. From Janeway's discussion with her fiance, I don't think she believed her mission would be a very long one. (It might also be worth keeping in mind that the mission to the Badlands was of a rather tactical and perhaps somewhat dangerous nature.)

Had it been a longer mission, and/or of a less dangerous nature, perhaps both her fiance and dog could have come aboard.

Dingo March 28 2009 05:15 PM

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That's pretty much the same conclusion I came to Praetor. That's why my character left his dog at home with his family.


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