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Aquehonga March 7 2009 11:21 PM

Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 1985?
 
Just wondering?

I haven't seen WATCHMEN nor read the 1980's graphic novel its based on. But I've read several reviews & some elements of WATCHMEN are the same as BTTF2 (1989).

Namely:

* Both take place in an Alternate 1985.

* Both feature Richard M. Nixon still being President in 1985.

In both, isn't Vietnam still going on?

* What else is there:confused:


WATCHMEN predates BTTF2 by about 3 or 4 years. It was published in 1985 or 1986 yes? I suspect BTTF2's having Nixon still being Prez was an allusion, or salute to "Watchmen".

Your thoughts?

Corran Horn March 7 2009 11:41 PM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
I don't know about Vietnam and BTTF2 but in Watchmen the war is over and Vietnam is pretty much the 51st state.

ATimson March 7 2009 11:42 PM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
No, Watchmen has Vietnam concluding roughly a week after Nixon is first elected.

Hartzilla2007 March 8 2009 12:15 AM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
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ATimson wrote: (Post 2688023)
No, Watchmen has Vietnam concluding roughly a week after Nixon is first elected.

Basically Doctor Manhattan and his amazing tank destroying and people frying mind powers had something to do with that.

Psion March 8 2009 12:26 AM

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Hartzilla2007 wrote: (Post 2688094)
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ATimson wrote: (Post 2688023)
No, Watchmen has Vietnam concluding roughly a week after Nixon is first elected.

Basically Doctor Manhattan and his amazing tank destroying and people frying mind powers had something to do with that.

One wonders how many poor "volunteers" Khrushchev and Brezhnev sent into the Soviet Union's own "intrinsic field subtractors" in a desperate effort to close the "Doctor Manhatten gap".

Ethros March 8 2009 12:28 AM

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Yes they are.

In fact you know who there was a hoo hah over changing the ending of Watchmen, well rather than a giant squid the explosion is caused by young Jennifer meeting old Jennifer which causes a chain reaction that unravels the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroys the entire universe

Mutenroshi March 8 2009 01:19 AM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
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Aquehonga wrote: (Post 2687977)

* Both feature Richard M. Nixon still being President in 1985.

Whut?

Mr. Laser Beam March 8 2009 01:42 AM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
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ATimson wrote: (Post 2688023)
No, Watchmen has Vietnam concluding roughly a week after Nixon is first elected.

In the alt-1985 from BTTF II, there is a newspaper headline that reads something like "Nixon To Seek 5th Term...Vows To End Vietnam War By 1985". I suppose he could have succeeded... So maybe it is possible that the film's alt-1985 is the Watchmen 'verse. That would make Biff Tannen personally responsible for all that destruction. :lol:

ATimson March 8 2009 02:19 AM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
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Hartzilla2007 wrote: (Post 2688094)
Basically Doctor Manhattan and his amazing tank destroying and people frying mind powers had something to do with that.

Well, yes, but I was trying to be conscious of people who may have not read or seen it. :p

ATimson March 8 2009 02:20 AM

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Babaganoosh wrote: (Post 2688300)
In the alt-1985 from BTTF II, there is a newspaper headline that reads something like "Nixon To Seek 5th Term...Vows To End Vietnam War By 1985". I suppose he could have succeeded... So maybe it is possible that the film's alt-1985 is the Watchmen 'verse. That would make Biff Tannen personally responsible for all that destruction. :lol:

Uh... if the Vietnam War is still going on in 1984 in BTTF2, then they can't be the same. Period, end of story. :confused:

Nick Ryder March 8 2009 03:01 AM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
And uhm... Marty told Doc in 1955 when he asked "Who's president in1985?" "Ronald Reagan." "Ronald Reagan?! The ACTOR! Who's secretary of state? Jerry Lee Lewis?"

od0_ital March 8 2009 07:34 AM

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NickRyder wrote: (Post 2688496)
And uhm... Marty told Doc in 1955 when he asked "Who's president in1985?" "Ronald Reagan." "Ronald Reagan?! The ACTOR! Who's secretary of state? Jerry Lee Lewis?"

Ya never bothered to watch Back to the Future II?

:confused:

captcalhoun March 8 2009 08:16 AM

Re: Are "Watchmen" & "Back to the Future II" in the same Alternate 198
 
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NickRyder wrote: (Post 2688496)
And uhm... Marty told Doc in 1955 when he asked "Who's president in1985?" "Ronald Reagan." "Ronald Reagan?! The ACTOR! Who's secretary of state? Jerry Lee Lewis?"

actually he says JERRY LEWIS. someone COMPLETELY different...

Mr. Laser Beam March 8 2009 08:30 AM

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ATimson wrote: (Post 2688394)
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Babaganoosh wrote: (Post 2688300)
In the alt-1985 from BTTF II, there is a newspaper headline that reads something like "Nixon To Seek 5th Term...Vows To End Vietnam War By 1985". I suppose he could have succeeded... So maybe it is possible that the film's alt-1985 is the Watchmen 'verse. That would make Biff Tannen personally responsible for all that destruction. :lol:

Uh... if the Vietnam War is still going on in 1984 in BTTF2, then they can't be the same. Period, end of story. :confused:

I don't get it. :confused: Watchmen took place in 1985, the same year as most of BTTF2 does.

ITL March 8 2009 08:31 AM

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In Watchmen, The Vietnam War was won by the USA in the early 70's.


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