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The Borgified Corpse February 26 2009 03:49 AM

What should the next Superman movie be?
 
With all of this recent hubub about various proposals for a new Superman movie, from Legendary Pictures producing a direct follow-up to Superman Returns to the Wachowski brothers planning their own epic trilogy, I thought it was a good time to poll the folks here and see what the general sentiment is. Vote for as many options as would be acceptable to you. Enjoy!

JacksonArcher February 26 2009 10:57 AM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
I'd love to see a direct sequel to Superman Returns but only directed by Bryan Singer. Since Singer has said he's not going to direct it, I think some type of continuation with Brandon Routh would be preferred. I think a total reboot would be a bad idea. It took twenty years to get Superman back on the big screen and I think Returns if anything successfully introduced a new Superman. I think a loose sequel starring Routh is most likely.

SalvorHardin February 26 2009 12:29 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
I don't mind if it's a direct sequel or not, but I believe Routh should be given another shot. And it should not be a total reboot.

In any new movie, Superman should start as an already established hero. No introductions, no origins.
If there's any superhero everyone knows about, it's Superman.
And just keep Luthor out of the next movie or at least keep him to a minimum.

Icemizer February 26 2009 02:39 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
The next Superman movie needs to be huge in scope. Think Superman meets Independence Day. Ending with a huge showdown with say Mongul the leader of the invasion. This way we can tie into the Superman went into space thing from returns.

QuasarVM February 26 2009 03:03 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
No total reboot.

Here's my recipe for a blockbuster Supes film:

1.) Absolutely keep Brandon Routh. It's NOT his fault that Superman Returns was so dour.

2.) Keep all the cast except Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane -- maybe replace her with Parker Posey.

3.) Get rid of the kid; pretend he never existed

4.) Introduce Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo or Doomsday as the villain

5.) Kevin Spacey was great as Luthor, but I think Luthor should either not be in the next one or -- or have a much reduced role (which Spacey would probably not go for)

6.) Keep the John Williams theme (I can't imagine Superman without it since 1978 -- it's become part of the character as much as the Alexander Courage TOS theme is Trek and John Williams Star Wars Theme is, well, Star Wars)

7.) Keep the same production designer

8.) Either keep Bryan Singer or get Richard Donner back to direct

9.) Keep it FUN! Not campy -- there's a difference!

10.) Add much more action! Superman -- The Movie had ten times the action of Superman Returns. Use that as the template!

11.) Do NOT go too dark! Superman Returns was actually kind of dark to me. Learn from the Trek TNG movies (Insurrection and Nemesis)! Two dark movies in a row spell doom for a film franchise! And this is not Batman -- nor should it be anything even remotely resembling it. Superman is a hopeful and larger than life character.

All of the above = guaranteed box office blockbuster!

QuasarVM February 26 2009 03:17 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
Quote:

Icemizer wrote: (Post 2655977)
The next Superman movie needs to be huge in scope. Think Superman meets Independence Day. Ending with a huge showdown with say Mongul the leader of the invasion. This way we can tie into the Superman went into space thing from returns.

I like that idea, except I'd use Darkseid or Brainiac in place of Mongul.

Admiral Buzzkill February 26 2009 03:22 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
Welling is a barely adequate piece of wood on that weblet TV series. Let him get on with making SCIFI Channel movies-of-the-week.

Bad Bishop February 26 2009 05:29 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
Brandon Routh should return, and the film should be a semi-reboot that ignores certain events in Superman Returns (and we all know what they are).

Speaking of Smallville, the show has (unfortunately) been satisfying some of the demand for Superman. It would really help the film franchise if the TV show ended this year.

davejames February 26 2009 06:00 PM

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I'm sure I'll get behind whatever they eventually decide to do.... but at the moment the only thing I'm interested in seeing is a sequel to SR. I was really invested in those characters, and wanted to see how that storyline and relationship with the son worked out.

And I wanted to see Singer amp up the action and let Routh kick some major ass.

Mr Light February 26 2009 07:55 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
I didn't care for SR at all, for Singer or for Routh, so I say total reboot. But NOT another origin story for crissakes!!! Just start in the middle of the action!

Norrin Radd February 26 2009 08:09 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
"Not a direct sequel but Brandon Routh should get another shot"

I don't see how this even makes sense. I mean, it kind of has to be a direct sequel in this case. If you have the same actor brought back...playing the title role...you can't just ignore what happened in the previous movie and you can't contradict it. That would just confuse audiences all to hell and they would have a right to be. For instance, you can't get rid of the kid; he was practically the main plot point of Returns.

davejames February 26 2009 08:21 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
Quote:

Norrin Radd wrote: (Post 2656885)
"Not a direct sequel but Brandon Routh should get another shot"

I don't see how this even makes sense. I mean, it kind of has to be a direct sequel in this case. If you have the same actor brought back...playing the title role...you can't just ignore what happened in the previous movie and you can't contradict it. That would just confuse audiences all to hell and they would have a right to be. For instance, you can't get rid of the kid; he was practically the main plot point of Returns.

Yeah I don't know how anyone thinks that could actually happen. Routh, for better or worse, is now linked in the minds of most moviegoers to SR.

Hell, even though I could make the adjustment, I'd probably want a new actor too, if they did a reboot. It just makes things a lot simpler.

Stone_Cold_Sisko February 26 2009 08:25 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
You can tell who here are comic fans, because so many people are suggesting stupid comic style stuff, like just ignoring certain plot twists from the other movie, having half-reboots, with some of the same actors, but not the others. Geez, how pointlessly convoluted is that? I mean really people, keep Routh but ignore the kid? WHAT?? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's the sort of nonsense that comic readers dig but everyone else just stares at with a glazed look in their eyes, then walks away. What's the f'ing point of being so obtuse about the whole thing?

Anyways it should be a direct sequel, or a total reboot, with nothing in between. My personal preference reboot, and I'm very much over the Donner-started series. I liked them in their time, but I'm over it. And I believe most of the younger generation doesn't see those movies as the end-all-be-all of Superman that can never be replicated. In fact, I'm not surprised if the majority of people 20 and under have NEVER EVEN SEEN it.

However, if they want Routh it should be a sequel, plain and simple. That's fine with me too.

QuasarVM February 26 2009 09:38 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
Quote:

Norrin Radd wrote: (Post 2656885)
"Not a direct sequel but Brandon Routh should get another shot"

I don't see how this even makes sense. I mean, it kind of has to be a direct sequel in this case. If you have the same actor brought back...playing the title role...you can't just ignore what happened in the previous movie and you can't contradict it. That would just confuse audiences all to hell and they would have a right to be. For instance, you can't get rid of the kid; he was practically the main plot point of Returns.

To quote Mr. Bale again: What don't you F-ing understand? LOL!! That never gets old...:-)

It's Hollywood. Anything can happen.

The kid, frankly, sucked...it's a dead-end plot device. The only option for his character is death. Or death of Superman and the kid replaces him (which would be...stupid). Superman shouldn't have a sidekick...which is another lame way to utilize the character.

Get rid of the kid.

Kate Bosworth was boring and had NO (zip. zero. NADA!) chemistry with Routh...NOR did she possess any of the spunk and fun of Margot Kidder.

Additionally, she bore very little resemblence to the Lois Lane that was PREDOMINANTLY (not the weird little aberations -- like the Lois that married Clark Kent) was depicted in the Superman comics. And yes! I do believe the films should bear more than just a passing tie to the comics.

Otherwise, one might as well invent his own damned superhero and call him something else!

Why is this so difficult or understand or offensive to those who happen to have a different view of how the next film should unfold?

davejames February 26 2009 10:02 PM

Re: What should the next Superman movie be?
 
Quote:

QuasarVM wrote: (Post 2657181)
The kid, frankly, sucked...it's a dead-end plot device. The only option for his character is death. Or death of Superman and the kid replaces him (which would be...stupid). Superman shouldn't have a sidekick...which is another lame way to utilize the character.

I seriously doubt the kid was ever intended to be Superman's "sidekick." He was there simply to give Superman a little more dimension, and to give him a different kind of challenge besides just wooing Lois and saving the day yet again (I love Supes, but let's face it, there's not a lot of complexity to the character).

Quote:

Additionally, she bore very little resemblence to the Lois Lane that was PREDOMINANTLY (not the weird little aberations -- like the Lois that married Clark Kent) was depicted in the Superman comics. And yes! I do believe the films should bear more than just a passing tie to the comics.
I wouldn't call the first couple decades of the comics or the Fleischer cartoons "aberations"-- and Bosworth resembles that Lois quite a bit.


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