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TOS Purist February 25 2009 08:42 AM

TOS Silverware
 
Does anybody have any idea what brand of silverware was used for the props in TOS? There's a shot in "The Naked Time" when they have a close-up of the knife Tormolen uses to threaten Sulu and Riley, and the brand name can BARELY be made out - someone would probably need to use some kind of photo enhancing software to make it out. Unless somebody already knows what brand it is! :lol:

ssosmcin February 25 2009 02:18 PM

Re: TOS Silverware
 
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was stuff heisted from the Desilu Commisary. Not that this helps you in the slightest. :)

M February 25 2009 02:21 PM

Re: TOS Silverware
 
Cue Greg Schnitzer ...

TOS Purist February 25 2009 02:45 PM

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ssosmcin wrote: (Post 2652331)
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was stuff heisted from the Desilu Commisary. Not that this helps you in the slightest. :)

I actually laughed out loud at that... :guffaw:

Therin of Andor February 25 2009 09:29 PM

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Quote:

ssosmcin wrote: (Post 2652331)
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it was stuff heisted from the Desilu Commisary. Not that this helps you in the slightest. :)

Why not? The rank stripes on "The Cage" costumes were gold-painted elastic bands from the mail room!

I seem to recall an unusual pickle fork, used as a regular fork, in the early episodes. And, of course, the salt shaker in "The Man Trap" was a reject from the buying trip to get McCoy's medical instruments. It looked too much like a salt shaker to be a scalpel.

Kelso February 26 2009 04:48 AM

Re: TOS Silverware
 
The knife that killed Joe Tormolen was pretty fearsome. It was likely a specialized prop. I can't image that a such a gruesome weapon would be easily obtainable.

GSchnitzer February 26 2009 04:54 AM

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Star Trek had its share of high tech gizmos. (Well, as high tech as a 1966 production on a budget could predict.) So, we saw plenty of phasers, tricorders, and communicators and such on the show. But some of the biggest challenges were to make ordinary items that would still be in use in the 23rd century look "futuristic" while still being identifiable to a 20th century audience.

Of course the classic example, of course, are the salt shakers. If you make them too futuristic, they no longer are immediately obviously salt shakers. Too mundane and it looks like our crew is still in the 20th Century instead of the 23rd century. So Property Master Irving Feinberg was always looking for things that fell into that middle ground: futuristic, but not too futuristic.

With that for a set up, a typical example of this futuristic middle ground for props can be seen in the flatware that is used on the Enterprise. We first see it in "The Corbomite Maneuver:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/...2dbd1579b1.jpg

And then again in "The Man Trap:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2252/...aa5c8f979a.jpg

"The Naked Time" (and note the one and only time we see "Lieutenant--Junior Grade" braid):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/...ae2b72781c.jpg

"Charlie X:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/...63be0db93f.jpg

"Conscience of the King:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2111/...a1e7da86c4.jpg

"Amok Time:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2284/...d89724eb14.jpg

"Obsession:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2223/...83462e14b0.jpg

"By Any Other Name:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2326/...6424dbdc73.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2200/...9ecc3aa4d7.jpg

"And the Children Shall Lead:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2297/...aeeffe36d7.jpg

"Elaan of Troyius:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2330/...315b39d0f2.jpg

But probably the best shot we get of all four pieces of this silverware set of the future (knife, dinner fork, tablespoon, and teaspoon) is in "Space Seed:"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2331/...b2eaa9ede2.jpg

So, here's my set of vintage 1960s-era stainless steel flatware as seen in Star Trek:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2230/...2487c794e9.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2256/...c4478fe31c.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2273/...4c257afc8f.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2369/...d30c59f472.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2114/...dbfe22022a.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2159/...a30a7796fb.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/...20bdaa4fb9.jpg

These come up for auction on ebay once in a blue moon. You can keep your eyes peeled and perform searches for "Danish modern flatware." Although it's in a "Danish modern" style, this particular flatware set was actually made by a Japanese designer. Unfortunately, I don't know who made these. They simply have a small "Japan" embossed on them--with no other markings or information. They actually don't come with the futuristic red paint on the ends of the handles; those have to be added yourself.

We have shown people dining in Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II--most notably in "To Serve All My Days." If we have occasion for additional dining scenes in future episodes, keep an eye out for this slightly futuristic-looking 1960s-era Danish modern flatware set.

Slide show is at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1090112...38869762/show/

Quote:

TOS Purist wrote: (Post 2651976)
Does anybody have any idea what brand of silverware was used for the props in TOS? There's a shot in "The Naked Time" when they have a close-up of the knife Tormolen uses to threaten Sulu and Riley, and the brand name can BARELY be made out - someone would probably need to use some kind of photo enhancing software to make it out. Unless somebody already knows what brand it is! :lol:


TOS Purist February 26 2009 08:38 PM

Re: TOS Silverware
 
Wow, that's quite a lot of help there!! One last thing, though - are you SURE it's exactly what they used on TOS?

In one shot from "The Naked Time" when Tormolen is pointing the knife at Sulu and Riley, we get to see the side of the knife that has the brand name on it. It looks like there's a small circular logo with some indecipherable text. Here's a thumbnail of the screenshot:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38...timehd0267.jpg

Although we can't make out what it says, since you have access to your TOS silverware set, you could check your knife and see if its brand name matches the general shape of what we can see of the brand's logo.

Also, what method did you use for adding the red tips?

GSchnitzer February 26 2009 10:44 PM

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Am I sure it's the right flatware? Well, yeah.

You can see (barely) the logo and the writing in this wider shot:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3619/...00cf795f6f.jpg

And a closer view is here:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/...583d9fd619.jpg

So, still not much to work with--unless someone can identify that logo.

(The red paint is that ubiquitous Starfleet red-orange; I think we use a color called Macao Orange from WalMart.)

WendellM February 27 2009 06:29 AM

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GSchnitzer wrote: (Post 2657523)

Taking an HD-DVD image from TrekCore ( http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnail...album=5&page=6 -> bottom center), cropping it, brightening it, and sharpening it suggests that you're right - it seems a very likely match given the logo, the two large words, and the smaller third word (amazing, Holmes, you've done it again! :techman:):

http://i40.tinypic.com/zwnxo9.jpg

Gallaher September 19 2013 09:45 PM

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Has anyone ID's the manufacturer from the logo? I found 13 pieces at the Goodwill for 29 cents each, but even Replacements.com could ID who made this flatware. The last post was February 2009; has the trail run cold? Or have I missed a grand discovery?

GSchnitzer September 19 2013 11:09 PM

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Gallaher wrote: (Post 8667349)
Has anyone ID's the manufacturer from the logo? I found 13 pieces at the Goodwill for 29 cents each, but even Replacements.com could ID who made this flatware. The last post was February 2009; has the trail run cold? Or have I missed a grand discovery?

No new information that I've run across.

The Old Mixer September 20 2013 12:24 AM

Re: TOS Silverware
 
"C'mon, Joey, put the butter knife down!"

(At least he didn't kill himself with a plastic spork....)

Unicron September 20 2013 04:17 AM

Re: TOS Silverware
 
I have to admit, I always find shots of the TOS "space food" goofy. :lol:

Green Shirt September 20 2013 11:10 AM

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GSchnitzer wrote: (Post 2655151)
They actually don't come with the futuristic red paint on the ends of the handles; those have to be added yourself.

Let the arguing begin over the proper shade of red paint needed. :devil:


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