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KlingonPredator January 14 2009 09:30 PM

Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
Each have their strengths but also weaknesses. to me, my list is as follows:

1. Sisko: Fought the Dominion War and won. nuff said.

2. Janeway: Got her ship back from the Delta Quadrant facing several enemies with no support from home.

3. Kirk: Fought the Enterprise well in several encounters but made a huge tactical error in TWOK which could have doomed him fatally.

4. Picard: Fought the D and E well but lacks the killer instinct to move up the ladder.

Allright give me your list and I can expound on my reasoning if you wish.

USS Triumphant January 14 2009 09:48 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
I'd say Sisko. If Spock were up there, it'd be a hard call, and Picard did alright with that whole tachyon grid scenario where Data commanded a ship. But still, probably Sisko.

Mach5 January 14 2009 10:03 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
The Picard Maneuver - nuff said

Ensign_Redshirt January 14 2009 10:11 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
I'm not saying that he's the best tactician, but there's Jonathan Archer in this poll?

black_dranzer January 14 2009 10:20 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
It depends on the context in which you're using "tactician" - there's a lot of difference between commanding a fleet in battle and commanding a single ship in battle. I'd have to say that Sisko is the best tactician in terms of fleet battling (after all, Starfleet Command did assign him to plan the invasion of Cardassia, and Operation Return was also his plan), however to be honest I'd say that Janeway would be a contender for individual ship battles - she seems to have a tendancy to think outside the box when she's up against a superior force (e.g the Kazon-Nistrim fleet in "Basics" - IMO Voyager would have won that battle if it weren't for the Kazon sabateur messing up the ship halfway through).

There's also the question of ground combat - not sure why, but my gut says that Kirk would be the best, tactically speaking, at ground combat.

HRHTheKING January 14 2009 10:25 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
Sisko

kv1at3485 January 14 2009 10:48 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
I haven't been impressed by any of them.

I can't see how Sisko performed any better than the rest: his "tactics" during the war weren't any better than the rest. There was nothing innovative there, just more of the same "smack head on wall".

hammerhead January 14 2009 11:12 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
Surely it's Riker, I think it was stated in that wargames episode of TNG that Riker on the Hathaway, a 70 year old ship or something, could beat Picard on the brand new Enterprise D. In that episode they said that Riker does the unexpected like 99% of the time. Also you have the Riker maneuver in Insurrection against the Sona who were Dominion allies so he seems the best at original thinking and tactics.

TheGodBen January 14 2009 11:30 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
No question, it was Captain John Harriman.

"All engines full reverse!!"

The guy was a genius.

USS Triumphant January 15 2009 01:54 AM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
Quote:

GodBen wrote: (Post 2502350)
No question, it was Captain John Harriman.

"All engines full reverse!!"

The guy was a genius.

:guffaw:

You make a compelling case. I wish to change my vote. :D

skeeter291 January 15 2009 02:21 AM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
All the other Captains have done a great job but Sisko had to run a war. That puts him over the top.

2 of 10 January 15 2009 05:44 AM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
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skeeter291 wrote: (Post 2503093)
All the other Captains have done a great job but Sisko had to run a war. That puts him over the top.

Agreed, Prosecuting a war is never an easy task. Espically the Dominion war, when at time the Dominion had superior numbers, he got the Romulans into the war "In the Pale Moonlight" just in time. Admiral Ross needed his help and gave command of the Defient to Jadzia, all Capt's in Trek did really great things and some not so great things, this also goes for Sisko, however, my vote also goes to Sisko.

Anika Hanson January 15 2009 12:19 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
I'd say Janeway. The other captains tactics were mostly based on consideration of ideas put forward by other senior officers and then a plan would be formulated based on these. Janeway however seemed to be quite knowlegable on the technical side of things (which led to her being called a know it all) she often formulated a lot of plans herself. So I'd say Janeway.

Mach5 January 15 2009 01:29 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
Quote:

Ensign_Redshirt wrote: (Post 2502007)
I'm not saying that he's the best tactician, but there's Jonathan Archer in this poll?

You're kidding, right? Show me one example where Archer actually used tactics...

Ensign_Redshirt January 15 2009 01:59 PM

Re: Best tactician? Kirk,Picard, Sisko or Janeway?
 
Quote:

Mach5 wrote: (Post 2504373)
Quote:

Ensign_Redshirt wrote: (Post 2502007)
I'm not saying that he's the best tactician, but there's Jonathan Archer in this poll?

You're kidding, right? Show me one example where Archer actually used tactics...

No, I'm not kidding. And like I already stated, I'm not saying that Archer is the best tactician. I also can't recite a specific moment where he used or devised tactics. Then again, neither do I think that Janeway is the best tactician nor can I recite a specific moment where Janeway used or devised tactics. But she's included in this poll. And righfully so, I think. Got my point?


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