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Silversmok3 November 18 2008 07:08 AM

Mirror Universe: Assimilated by the Borg?
 
In Mirror Universe:Glass Empires the book concludes with a storyline that cliffhangs in the Klingon-Cardassian alliance fighting a Borg invasion-and suffering worse than Starfleet did .

I'd imagine that the mirror universe would now be conpletely assimilated by the Borg if the cliffhanger ending is continued ?

Or does anyone or another book specify how a morally bankrupt universe fights off an enemy like Borg?

14thDoctor November 18 2008 07:52 AM

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Silversmok3 wrote: (Post 2305876)
In Mirror Universe:Glass Empires the book concludes with a storyline that cliffhangs in the Klingon-Cardassian alliance fighting a Borg invasion-and suffering worse than Starfleet did .

No, MU Picard destroyed that Borg ship.

It was implied the Borg were probably going to try again, but the story took place in 2371, and as of the last DS9 MU episode (in 2375?), the Borg didn't appear to an issue in the Mirror Universe.

Trent Roman November 18 2008 08:12 AM

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Silversmok3 wrote: (Post 2305876)
Or does anyone or another book specify how a morally bankrupt universe fights off an enemy like Borg?

Curious: what does morality have to do with fighting the Borg? The Borg don't particularly care about good intentions...

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Marie1 November 18 2008 03:08 PM

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Rats!... I was hoping the MU would do itself in and we could send all our Borg to float uselessly other there... Back to the drawing board.

LightningStorm November 18 2008 03:15 PM

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Trent Roman wrote: (Post 2306024)
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Silversmok3 wrote: (Post 2305876)
Or does anyone or another book specify how a morally bankrupt universe fights off an enemy like Borg?

Curious: what does morality have to do with fighting the Borg? The Borg don't particularly care about good intentions...

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

I wondered the same thing. But in that respect, I think a "morally bankrupt universe" might do better against the Borg than the "real" universe, since they would have no compunction about annihilating the entire Borg collective and wouldn't care that the Drones are innocents being held captive by the Borg.

Silversmok3 November 18 2008 09:18 PM

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I mentioned the moral aspect because the only way the Alpha quadrant powers can effectively fight an enemy as massive as the Borg is to unite their forces.

Since the Klingon-Cardassian alliance is founded on the basis of brutality to other races,those same races won't lift a finger to save it against the Borg.

Let's say the Alliance wakes up and asks for help to stop the Borg.The other races may actually stand by to allow the Borg to do their dirty work for them by eliminating the Alliance for either revenge or 'the greater good' depending on which species you ask.

At least they'll see it that way until the Borg show up in their backyards,by which point it'll be too late.

Shawnster November 18 2008 09:24 PM

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Silversmok3 wrote: (Post 2307857)
I mentioned the moral aspect because the only way the Alpha quadrant powers can effectively fight an enemy as massive as the Borg is to unite their forces.

Since the Klingon-Cardassian alliance is founded on the basis of brutality to other races,those same races won't lift a finger to save it against the Borg.

Let's say the Alliance wakes up and asks for help to stop the Borg.The other races may actually stand by to allow the Borg to do their dirty work for them by eliminating the Alliance for either revenge or 'the greater good' depending on which species you ask.

At least they'll see it that way until the Borg show up in their backyards,by which point it'll be too late.

Such a nastier, morally bankrupt civilization founded on the basis of brutality might have in their arsenal even deadlier, more devastating weapons than the morally pure civilization founded on the basis of universal love and harmony we've all come to feel warm and fuzzy about. Thus the morally bankrupt civilization might be better off in taking the Borg on head-to-head.

One wonders what the Q or Organians (to name just two) are like in this universe. Also of note is that not all species were mirror opposites. The Halkans were puny wimps in both universes.

Trent Roman November 18 2008 09:50 PM

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The Klingon-Cardassian Alliance already are the quadrant's major powers; with the exception of the Romulans, there's nobody else to ask. That size, and the way they have to keep other species in leans, means they actually have a greater fleet to call upon than the Federation which, as Shawnster pointed out, would be more militarized and could easily edge out the Federation in conventional warfare. But conventional warfare has never been key, or even slightly helpful, in bringing down the Borg, nor have the number of ships that can be thrown against them (and it's probably worth recalling that, talk of alliances aside, the Federation actually had to face down the two major Borg attacks on Earth by itself). The key has been creative, technological innovation that exploit the Borg's weaknesses as a gestalt culture. And while one might say that a society like the Federation is more open to creativity, and has more such individuals to call upon unlike the Alliance which ignores some of the best minds its subject species have to offer (though not all, as the case of MU-Jennifer showed), the truth of the matter is that, historically, innovation is not bound by moral governance, as only the recent examples of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union point to.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

JD November 19 2008 12:11 AM

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Shawnster wrote: (Post 2307898)

One wonders what the Q or Organians (to name just two) are like in this universe. Also of note is that not all species were mirror opposites. The Halkans were puny wimps in both universes.

I'm pretty sure that the Q actually live in a their own seperate reality/universe, so I think there would actually be only one Continuum in the whole multiverse. I could be mistaken though, I don't as much about this kind of stuff as alot of other people around here.

21Spike65 November 19 2008 12:19 AM

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Trent Roman wrote: (Post 2308044)
and it's probably worth recalling that, talk of alliances aside, the Federation actually had to face down the two major Borg attacks on Earth by itself

Not entirely true. The Federation did receive some assistance from the Klingon Empire in the Battle of Wolf 359. Granted, I would imagine the Klingons only had a few ships there, but the support of an ally was still there.

Trent Roman November 19 2008 12:46 AM

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^ I don't recall seeing any Klingon vessels amongst the wreckage in "BoBW II" or in the flashback in "Emissary", but I'll admit it's been a while since I've seen either of those episodes.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

JoeZhang November 19 2008 02:23 AM

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21Spike65 wrote: (Post 2308835)
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Trent Roman wrote: (Post 2308044)
and it's probably worth recalling that, talk of alliances aside, the Federation actually had to face down the two major Borg attacks on Earth by itself

Not entirely true. The Federation did receive some assistance from the Klingon Empire in the Battle of Wolf 359. Granted, I would imagine the Klingons only had a few ships there, but the support of an ally was still there.

I think they actually say *the klingons are sending some ships* but there is no indication they get there on time...

Mr. Laser Beam November 19 2008 02:58 AM

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Silversmok3 wrote: (Post 2307857)
I mentioned the moral aspect because the only way the Alpha quadrant powers can effectively fight an enemy as massive as the Borg is to unite their forces.

Since the Klingon-Cardassian alliance is founded on the basis of brutality to other races,those same races won't lift a finger to save it against the Borg.

Let's say the Alliance wakes up and asks for help to stop the Borg.The other races may actually stand by to allow the Borg to do their dirty work for them by eliminating the Alliance for either revenge or 'the greater good' depending on which species you ask.

At least they'll see it that way until the Borg show up in their backyards,by which point it'll be too late.

Agreed.

No one in the MU will ever help the K-C Alliance. Even setting aside the fact that no one would want to in the first place (given how brutal the KCA is), the very concept of alliances and working together against a common enemy is utterly foreign to most races in the MU. Nobody would help the Alliance - or anyone else.

Hell, I'm surprised that even the MU Klingons and Cardassians are still allies. Alliances just don't seem to be in the nature of anyone in that universe.

LutherSloan November 19 2008 04:58 AM

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Some of those MU stories made it pretty clear that the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance was on the verge of shattering.

DGCatAniSiri November 19 2008 05:54 AM

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JoeZhang wrote: (Post 2309405)
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21Spike65 wrote: (Post 2308835)
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Trent Roman wrote: (Post 2308044)
and it's probably worth recalling that, talk of alliances aside, the Federation actually had to face down the two major Borg attacks on Earth by itself

Not entirely true. The Federation did receive some assistance from the Klingon Empire in the Battle of Wolf 359. Granted, I would imagine the Klingons only had a few ships there, but the support of an ally was still there.

I think they actually say *the klingons are sending some ships* but there is no indication they get there on time...

One of Marvel's Voyager comics had a story that involved them coming across some anomaly or some such that had the events of Wolf 359 replaying in the Delta Quadrant and a Vor'cha cruiser was seen as one of the combatants. Beyond that one appearance, though, I don't think there's been any indication that the Klingons were actual participants of the battle.


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