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Renvar September 23 2008 07:32 PM

Post-DS9 Cardassia
 
Any thoughts on what happened to the Cardassian Empire after the war? Did the Federation send relief supplies to a reforming civilian government? Did the Klingons/Romulans feel entitled to a chunk of their former territory? AFAIK, this was never adressed on screen.

Timo September 23 2008 07:56 PM

Re: Post-DS9 Cardassia
 
For all we know, the peace treaty ceded Cardassia to the Dominion...

Basically, I'd assume that the Klingons would want a piece of that planet, after having gone to all the trouble with conquering Cardassian wars in the past conflicts. Never mind how poor in resources or full of potential insurgents, the world/system would be a prize of prestige for them. Romulans might be less passionate about it, withdrawing to behind their Neutral Zone once again and waiting for Nemesis to happen. Unless they wanted a base close to the wormhole, that is. But perhaps the wormhole no longer is open for traffic, as part of the peace stipulations?

The Federation would have every incentive to try and help the natives, and to form an alliance or offer membership candidacy. That would probably continue even if Cardassia decided to again go for something else than a civilian government.

Timo Saloniemi

PKTrekGirl September 23 2008 08:12 PM

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Well, I'd imagine they'd be treated in a manner similar to the way Germany and Japan were treated after WWII.

Let them rebuild, but on a very short leash for a while, until they could be trusted to work and play well with others.

Sisko4Life September 23 2008 08:23 PM

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Not that this is canon, but Star Trek Bridge Commander suggests that Cardassia was left alone to rebuild, but the allies were allowed the ability to search their freighters and vessels at their discretion. Re-arming of Cardassia's military was expressely forbidden. Seems like we're going in a circle here if you get my drift...

msbae September 23 2008 08:36 PM

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PKTrekGirl wrote: (Post 2100417)
Well, I'd imagine they'd be treated in a manner similar to the way Germany and Japan were treated after WWII.

Let them rebuild, but on a very short leash for a while, until they could be trusted to work and play well with others.

This seems logical.

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The Federation would have every incentive to try and help the natives, and to form an alliance or offer membership candidacy. That would probably continue even if Cardassia decided to again go for something else than a civilian government.
Doubtful. This would alienate the Bajorans and hurt the Federation's position with regard to using the Wormhole. It would also make it more difficult to talk the Bajorans into joining the Federation at some point in the future.

Nerys Ghemor September 23 2008 08:48 PM

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Hmm...I find it hard to see the Cardassians being too pleased with a Klingon presence in their territory. That would have to be even worse than a Federation presence in their book: you've got that unprovoked war that STARTED the whole mess in the first place (pre-Dominion) not to mention the Septimus III attack which was a wholesale slaughter. (Yes, I know the Cardassians have committed atrocities too but knowing them, they'd be MASSIVELY pissed if it was against them.)

cultcross September 23 2008 11:29 PM

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Nerys Ghemor wrote: (Post 2100538)
Hmm...I find it hard to see the Cardassians being too pleased with a Klingon presence in their territory. That would have to be even worse than a Federation presence in their book: you've got that unprovoked war that STARTED the whole mess in the first place (pre-Dominion) not to mention the Septimus III attack which was a wholesale slaughter. (Yes, I know the Cardassians have committed atrocities too but knowing them, they'd be MASSIVELY pissed if it was against them.)


I'm tempted to agree RE: the Klingons.
It's never properly addressed on screen but to all intents and purposes, it was the Klingons that gave the Dominion their foothold in the Alpha Quadrant. Granted, Martok was a changeling, but even so, Gowron and the rest of the High Council must shoulder some of the blame. If they hadn't launched their ill advised war on Cardassia it is unliekly Dukat would have been able or even willing to negotiate with the Dominion and give them a permanent base in the AQ.

I think this fact may well be exploited by several sides in any post-war territory or power division. The Romulans in particular would likely use it to limit the Klingons' share of the conquered territories as much as possible.

Nerys Ghemor September 24 2008 01:24 AM

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To me it cuts to an even bigger issue: is it me, or has the Federation got a habit of making and excusing some pretty shady allies? They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps--and same for a government...

And here's something. Why does everybody assume that the Cardassian Union would be divvied up among the winners like spoils of war? What if they decided to try an approach more like Afghanistan or Iraq instead? (Seriously, NO debates about real-world effectiveness of said approach. Be mature.)

kevjulian September 24 2008 02:43 AM

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I haven't read it in a while but I believe that "A Stitch in Time" by Andrew Robinson goes into a little detail about post-Cardassia. It also gives some good back ground on Garak.

Kev

Gojirob September 24 2008 02:49 AM

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kevjulian wrote: (Post 2101702)
I haven't read it in a while but I believe that "A Stitch in Time" by Andrew Robinson goes into a little detail about post-Cardassia. It also gives some good back ground on Garak.

Kev

If the UFP wanted to avoid another Kerensky/Weimar situation, they'd get aid in there and more importantly, de-Obsidian the Cardassian culture. Then again, there might be Cardassian interest in the Prophets. From a pragmatic Cardassian POV, the Bajorans' gods won the fight.

Red Ranger September 24 2008 03:31 AM

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I would say that post-Cardassia would be like Europe after WWII, and that the Federation and the rest of the Alpha Quadrant powers would be better served creating a Marshall Plan for Cardassia to rebuild. After all, Cardassia waged war because it was resource-poor, so by helping rebuild, you stave off the reasons for Cardassia to go to war. A bit of wishful thinking, but I don't think a partition of Cardassian space would be in anyone's best interest. -- RR

Jon-o'-lantern September 24 2008 05:16 AM

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kevjulian wrote: (Post 2101702)
I haven't read it in a while but I believe that "A Stitch in Time" by Andrew Robinson goes into a little detail about post-Cardassia. It also gives some good back ground on Garak.

Kev

Also pretty sure one of the novels, I think it was Section 31 novel with Bashir mentions that the union was divided up between the powers as he has to enter the Romulan controlled area to hunt down the bad guys.

Nerys Ghemor September 24 2008 06:13 AM

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rofeta wrote: (Post 2102214)
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kevjulian wrote: (Post 2101702)
I haven't read it in a while but I believe that "A Stitch in Time" by Andrew Robinson goes into a little detail about post-Cardassia. It also gives some good back ground on Garak.

Kev

Also pretty sure one of the novels, I think it was Section 31 novel with Bashir mentions that the union was divided up between the powers as he has to enter the Romulan controlled area to hunt down the bad guys.

Yikes...that's definitely not a good move on the part of the Federation. Not just because of the Romulans' prior record, but the whole divvying-up move--are they ASKING for later trouble or what??

Sisko4Life September 24 2008 07:30 AM

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Yikes... spliting up their territory! I almost think the Cardassians have been victimized in DS9. I mean... they only allied with the Dominion after feeling helpless (thank you Eddington, thank you Martok, thank you Gowron). And to make matters worse, the Dominion tries to exterminate them! Why are the Cardassians hated so much? All this crap made me kind of root for them at the beginning of the Dominion war..

Nerys Ghemor September 24 2008 02:16 PM

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Sisko4Life wrote: (Post 2102497)
Yikes... spliting up their territory! I almost think the Cardassians have been victimized in DS9. I mean... they only allied with the Dominion after feeling helpless (thank you Eddington, thank you Martok, thank you Gowron). And to make matters worse, the Dominion tries to exterminate them! Why are the Cardassians hated so much? All this crap made me kind of root for them at the beginning of the Dominion war..

I think the problem is their government, and what it's warped (most) of their society into. That's what makes them so hated and feared. While we occasionally caught glimpses of another side of them (Daro, Natima Lang, Tekeny Ghemor, etc.), before the rebellion, there wasn't much representation of anything else to them but cold, arrogant, ruthless, "honorless" SOBs.

One of the first cracks in that facade, as far as the entire society is concerned, was the Klingon attack right when they were starting to pull things together into a form that might be a little better than before. That's when I first started getting really annoyed with the way they were being treated. They reform and get invaded for it. Talk about "no good deed going unpunished"...


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