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darkshadow0001 September 6 2008 05:48 PM

The meeting in Star Trek VI
 
During the meeting with Spock in the opening scene of Star Trek VI, could you tell if anyone was going to end up being a "traitor" later in the film? I've never noticed it much before, but I noticed Admiral Cartwright looking very nervous. Anyone else?

Augustus September 6 2008 07:21 PM

Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI
 
Yeah I noticed it in repeated viewings. But there are no obvious cues to make you suspect anyone..

EnsignYoshi September 6 2008 09:20 PM

Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI
 
On later viewing I noticed crewmen Burke and Samno, when the klingons just arrived on board Enterprise, complaining about klingon hygiene etc. Suddenly they bump into val'eris, which asks: "don't you men have work".
I'm not quite sure if I interpreted correctly, but I'm pretty sure she told them to get on with boarding the klingon ship.

trentman359 September 7 2008 01:41 AM

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Star Trek VI is my favorite movie and I've easily seen it the most. The foreshadowing is all very small and hardly noticeable. I always thought that Valeris was just telling those men to get back to work. Meyer did a great job on this film.

Josh_Lyman September 7 2008 08:38 AM

Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI
 
One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

darkshadow0001 September 7 2008 08:40 PM

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Josh_Lyman wrote: (Post 2040540)
One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

You forgot Spock :) But good point.

Data Holmes September 7 2008 10:44 PM

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There was an Asian admiral there too... I'm pretty sure.

Edited to add:

Yes I was correct... Actually, overall there is quite a few "minorities" and well as a decent proportion of female officers represented. Here is the overall shot... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0051.jpg


In this clip you can see an Indian woman and a black man... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0048.jpg

Further down, closer to the podium just over spock's right shoulder... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0056.jpg

It's fuzzy, but there is an asian man on the left of this grab... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0049.jpg

This one is clearer from that side, as you can see there are two asian men... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0061.jpg

The aid to the cinc is an asian woman... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0050.jpg

ANd in this clip is a female admiral of non white decent to... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a...h1/tuc0053.jpg

General_Phoenix September 9 2008 07:34 PM

Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI
 
When I saw the movie in the theater I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, although I guess I should have considering his attitude towards the Klingons (bringing them to their knees).

ClayinCA September 9 2008 07:37 PM

Re: The meeting in Star Trek VI
 
Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.

Data Holmes September 9 2008 07:40 PM

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ClayinCA wrote: (Post 2049671)
Heh. I never suspected Admiral Cartwright, but that's mostly because I always liked Brock Peters and didn't think of him as a traitor.

Huh... I saw it coming. But I'm always able to see the story before it's over. :shrug:

It's why my family hates watching TV/Movies with me anymore.:lol:

Maurice September 9 2008 09:27 PM

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^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.

Data Holmes September 9 2008 09:31 PM

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DS9Sega wrote: (Post 2050224)
^^^It's actually not that hard to do once you understand three act drama and how stories are structured. Everything important gets established in act one, so you know the traitors are someone(s) you met in the first 20 minutes of the film.

I've got alot of ideas on how the movie could have been better.

For one, I still think they should have made Sulu in on it...

Krieg1981 September 10 2008 03:10 AM

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Josh_Lyman wrote: (Post 2040540)
One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!

Data Holmes September 10 2008 03:24 AM

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krieg1981 wrote: (Post 2051369)
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Josh_Lyman wrote: (Post 2040540)
One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!

People see what they want to see.

Krieg1981 September 10 2008 04:01 AM

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hutt359 wrote: (Post 2051422)
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krieg1981 wrote: (Post 2051369)
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Josh_Lyman wrote: (Post 2040540)
One thing I noticed in that meeting was that EVERY member of Starfleet Command there was a human and the only black man there turned out to be the traitor.

I never noticed that. That's wrong on multiple levels(only humans? the traitor is the only black guy?). Jesus!

People see what they want to see.

Very true. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.


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