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Guy Gardener September 4 2008 02:55 AM

Is Susan the Master?
When the Doctor was just a kid, barely 90, the he closed the Medusa cascade with the Master. That story sounded like a cross between a roadtrip movie and a buddy movie. And that's great if the Doctor and the Master ran away from Galifrey twice before the original series started and the first time without Susan... Unless The Master was Susan and Susan was the Master. :)

  • English and Dutch: from the female personal name Susanna, Susanne (Middle English), Susanna (Dutch), from Hebrew Shushannah ‘lily’, ‘lily of the valley’.
  • Southern French: from Occitan susan ‘above’, ‘higher’, hence a topographic name for someone living at the top end of a village or on the side of a valley.
  • Jewish (Sephardic): from the male personal name Susan, a derivative of Arabic susan ‘lily’.

mean while we all know what Foreman means, even if it was only a chance adoption because of the landing sight of the TARDIS in a Junk yard... A Foreman is the boss, if not the Lilly boss, then the Top Boss... The Master!)

If some one left me on a radioactive cursed earth rubble ruins wastelands to breed with a monkey which had a half life of maybe 6 months because of the fractured and poisoned biosphere.... I'd hardly be chipper about it, especially 40 years on when it seems as if I hadn't aged 5 minutes and my husband and children are mutated dying and dead. Susan could have and should have gone mad, and maybe her reappearance in the 5 Doctors was only half way through to her journey to the nut-house since as she mentioned, her children where still alive although from her garb it's insane to think that man had rebuilt the planet to the point of a sustainable industry so quickly that she wasn't already Batshit like Will Smith in that Quiet earth Vampire Movie last year pretending everything was alright when everyone was quite dead... But if I'm on track, didn't the Master really really play it cool when he met his younger female self?

Anyone want to say hell yeah?

The September 4 2008 03:04 AM

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Please...please pass whatever it is you're smoking my way... :angel: :lol: :techman:

This is the best thread I've read in ages!

Evil Headhunter September 4 2008 04:48 AM

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Guy Gardener September 4 2008 04:59 AM

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The amount of collegian and brotherly friendship torrenting from the Doctor no matter how EVIL the master got, that after decimating the earth and Sovietizing the remnants and nuking Japan... His final punishment was to be a house guest in the TARDIS.

Have you considered the Dalek refugees left behind after the Occupation? Susan would have been ideally placed to mash them or construct a peaceful accord if such a thing was possible, which it seems it must be since the Master allied himself with the Daleks at least the once in Frontier in Space.

doctorwho 03 September 4 2008 06:11 AM

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You're joking, right? Tell me you're joking.:guffaw:Someone has definately eaten too many 'shrooms this morning.

How about this; she doesn't become the Master, she becomes the Rani.:bolian:

Guy Gardener September 4 2008 06:28 AM

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But he doesn't like the Rani. He really thinks she's a bit of a cow.

Besides, if she was Susan, then honestly... Why pretend to be Mel to garner trust?

thestrangledcorpse September 4 2008 06:33 AM

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Insane OP aside, I'd really have liked to have seen a good "buddy" movie/episode with the Doctor and Master played Simm and Tennant. They'd be able to play all the levels so well! -- hating each other, needing each other, having to work together and trying to kill each other all at once.

I loved their chemistry, and if it weren't for the horrible storyline getting in the way they'd've been so fun to watch. So many good opportunities were lost. :(

Guy Gardener September 4 2008 06:42 AM

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Have you seen the flash animation of Scream of the Shalka? The Master (Derek Jacobi) was interned within the TARDIS with an alternate 9th Doctor (Richard E Grant.). They are an entirely odd couple. :)

thestrangledcorpse September 4 2008 06:53 AM

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^No I haven't seen that. But I want to thank you, because on reading your post I instantaneously conjured a mental image of David Tennant and John Simm as the Doctor and the Master respectively, muddling around the Tardis, picking up each others clothes and dishes and scowling to the music of The Odd Couple. Do da do da do da do da da do daaa dooo.
I'm still giggling.

captcalhoun September 4 2008 07:14 AM

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hell, yeah? howsabout fuck, no!

Guy Gardener September 4 2008 07:27 AM

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There was an audio where Bernice Summerfield, a companion of 7, sees a future vision of the Doctor as 8. She licks her lips, and infers that he should hurry up and regenerate. Imagine the surprise on her husbands face as Susan dies and regenerates into a middle aged evil bastard with a black pointy little beard? "but surely you love me for who I am on the inside?"

cardinal biggles September 4 2008 07:35 AM

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Maybe that's why the Master became evil... Susan's husband rejected "her" when she regenerated into a man, and she's still pissed about it all these centuries later.

Guy Gardener September 4 2008 07:56 AM

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If her kids age slowly across the board... Dozens of years to get even up to toddling.

bad luck for one of them if she was breast feeding when her dumplings evaporated during a regeneration sparkle.

Captain Pike September 4 2008 10:17 AM

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Is Susan the Master?


captcalhoun September 4 2008 10:41 AM

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guy, lay off the drugs...

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