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Ketracel August 19 2008 05:28 AM

Borg's Assimilation Tendencies
 
I've never understood why the Borg "ignore" those that are not a threat to them when just a minute ago, that same person was being attacked by them or attacking them.

A good example would be the First Contact film where Picard and crew are being attacked or ignored at different times.

Why would the Borg not reach out and zap them when they aren't "a threat"? Doesn't make much sense.

Is this another one of those lazy writer's techniques to heighten suspense? you know, like when the shields can at different times allow for transport but other times because the shields are "up" transport can not be used?

:confused:

Sheliak August 19 2008 05:35 AM

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I believe it has something to do with the introduction of the Queen and Picard's previous encounter.

The Borg Queen August 19 2008 05:39 AM

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Stupid writing. That's always the problem with why the Borg never win. They made a concept that was essentially perfect in theory, so they have to make the Borg stupid so they could have another episode of Star Trek next week... :rolleyes:

Rhody the Ram August 19 2008 01:55 PM

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Acetylhexene wrote: (Post 1960554)
Stupid writing. That's always the problem with why the Borg never win. They made a concept that was essentially perfect in theory, so they have to make the Borg stupid so they could have another episode of Star Trek next week... :rolleyes:

I agree. But from a "trek science" point of view, I think the logic is that the Borg don't want to "waste" resources to assimilate someone when there is no imminent need. If they have a full crew, they won't bother spending the time to assimilate (including outfitting the new borg with the electronic appendages).

Though logic would say that after BOBW, the Borg aught to have known that humans on board leads to bad outcomes, and they should have attacked on sight.

Trekker4747 August 20 2008 10:53 PM

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If we're to accept the Borg's insect/hive nature then like insects they just don't attack unless they're under threat.

A bee or spider won't sting/bite you unless it perceives you as a threat.

Timo August 21 2008 06:06 AM

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To compare the Borg to insects too closely would mean to establish that the Borg do not think forward at all. Insects can afford that, because their threat environment does not change: their current modus operandi is valid against known threats, and has evolved to be so through several million years. But the Borg live in a more dynamic threat environment than that.

Of course, one would assume that all of the enemies of the Borg would have attempted beaming aboard the Cubes at one point or another. And the Borg have had thousands of years to adapt to that. So perhaps it is essentially harmless to let the potential opponents wander about? From the point of view of the entire Collective, I mean. Perhaps it's lesser evil to let a Drone or dozen be slaughtered or a Cube be blown up than to devote resources to intruder control?

After all, the Borg seem to learn mainly by reacting, by assimilating, by waiting for the enemy to make a move. If the enemy is not allowed to make a move, the Borg are deprived of key intelligence.

This doesn't really explain clear-cut self-defense situations such as ST:FC where the local, isolated Borg team should have been thinking of its own safety rather than the Collective good. Granted that they probably couldn't fathom how Picard and Sloane could do any harm even if let to wander, and granted that they had designs for Picard, but they should at this point have learned to expect the unexpected from Picard and his fellow Feds.

Timo Saloniemi

LutherSloan August 25 2008 04:46 PM

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Part of it could be the Borg feeling that a few individuals are insignificant, at least compared to a full-on assault.

Because of the nature of the Borg, it can be said that they 'evolved' from the first Federation encounter in 'Q, Who?' to the most recent appearance in 'Endgame (VOY)'. I know that one of the recent ST books (Greater than the Sum) explains the change in the interior design of the Borg cubes from TNG to VOY.

Anika Hanson September 4 2008 11:17 AM

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[quote/] I agree. But from a "trek science" point of view, I think the logic is that the Borg don't want to "waste" resources to assimilate someone when there is no imminent need. If they have a full crew, they won't bother spending the time to assimilate (including outfitting the new borg with the electronic appendages).

Though logic would say that after BOBW, the Borg aught to have known that humans on board leads to bad outcomes, and they should have attacked on sight.[/quote]

Yea I think they only assimilate if that is the task at hand. But in first contact the task was to stop first contact. I think they will also only assimilate if they think they can gain something fromt he species either intellecutally/technologically or Biologically.

Vanyel September 5 2008 08:42 PM

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I noticed that in many cases where the Feds enter a Borg ship, a single drone goes right by or through them. Perhaps that is a test to see if the intruders are an immediate threat. Also with the high number Borg packed into every ship, I'm sure that the intruders are being watched at all times so the Collective is aware of what they are doing.


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