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EmperorKalan August 13 2008 01:06 AM

Hooray! A "scene I want to see" appears!
 
In The Chimes at Midnight in the second Myriad Universes anthology, Echoes and Refractions:

It involves a certain apparent contradiction in Klingon behavior, and a scene that I imagine would have taken place many, many times, and finally we see it in print.



I'm also glad to see Thelin used. I know in the Crucible trilogy he died back in the TOS era, but the Crucible books have their own continuity, and what happened there doesn't necessarily have to have happened in other TOS- or TOS-movie-era stories (hint)

Anyone else had scenes you'd envisioned and then later had them pop up in a novel or story?

Mr. Laser Beam August 13 2008 01:17 AM

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There was one novel - can't remember which one - which has a scene where parts of "Balance of Terror" are revisited. They get to the briefing room scene where Scotty says 'Their power is simple impulse', and Sulu thinks to himself that this can't mean that the ship itself can only travel at sublight, and that it's perfectly obvious that the BoP still has some form of warpdrive.

And of course there's the novelization of ST II, which states that Chekov really *was* on the ship during "Space Seed" (he was a security guard).

Therin of Andor August 13 2008 10:30 AM

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EmperorKalan wrote: (Post 1938179)
Anyone else had scenes you'd envisioned and then later had them pop up in a novel or story?

The "B" plot of "Black Fire" (with a human Commander Thorin) was similar on about 14 counts to the "A" story of my first Commander Therin fanfic, published in 1982. The novel came out in January 1983, so there's no way Sonni Cooper saw my story. Weird deja vu reading that one!

Subterranean cave dwellings on Andor - almost exactly as I imagined them in the early 80s - turned up in "Andor: Paradigm", and then icy canonical ones in "The Aenar" (ENT).

The ambiance of "Ex Machina" was exactly what I wanted from a post-TMP novel.

William Leisner August 13 2008 01:27 PM

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The first time I pitched to the producers at DS9, one of my stories involved Sisko and Jake, who because of some kind of [tech] accident, could not both exist simultaneously in this time-space continuum -- i.e., if Ben was present, Jake disappeared into some alternate void, and vice-versa. It was rejected for being too close to something they already had in the works.

A couple weeks later, "The Visitor" aired, and it was 100x better than anything I could have come up with.

Christopher August 13 2008 02:18 PM

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My TNG spec script had a very similar premise to "Quality of Life," which aired 10 days after I sent in the script. The plot involved Data discovering and defending a new form of pseudo-cybernetic life, and he even caught on to the idea that it was sentient the same way in my script that he did in the episode -- because of a comment Geordi made as a joke. (Fortunately, I was able to recycle the concept of the life form, in modified and much more interesting fashion, in Greater Than the Sum.)

And one of my first DS9 pitches was "Terok Hel," which was a thriller set on a station of the same design as DS9. The next season, they did "Empok Nor." That made me go "hmm" a bit, but I realized I was probably far from the first person who pitched "Let's do a story set on a duplicate of the station so you can save money on sets."

Geoff August 13 2008 03:02 PM

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Thanks, EmperorKalan. It's often difficult to reconcile the behavior of the TOS Klingons with the more "honorable" TNG variety. But one of the story's themes is to examine what honorable people are often willing to do when they feel their culture/security is under attack, which explains the conundrum rather well.

Rush Limborg August 13 2008 06:44 PM

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It's often difficult to reconcile the behavior of the TOS Klingons with the more "honorable" TNG variety.
Didn't Dayton Ward explain that in In the Name of Honor?

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And one of my first DS9 pitches was "Terok Hel," which was a thriller set on a station of the same design as DS9.
Interesting.... Hey, Chris, ya think you could recycle that idea some day, only set it on Empok?

Or was the story too similar to the episode?

Rush Limborg August 13 2008 06:55 PM

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Anyone else had scenes you'd envisioned and then later had them pop up in a novel or story?
I still remember when I read Dreadnaught!, Diane Carey's book. She established that the insubordinate jerk from "Galileo 7", Lt. Boma, got busted out of the fleet by Scotty!

Myself, I had envisioned, right after the events of the episode, Boma apologizing to Spock... and resigning his commision, as he has realized that he cannot work with people with opposing philosophies....

Still, when I read Carey's book, I was very satisfied, because justice had been served.


Also, I loved Mike and Andy's making the analogy to NATO, when describing the Coalition of Planets. ("The Good That Men Do")

Sxottlan August 14 2008 08:21 AM

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I could have sworn there was something, but now I can't think of it.

For years I had wanted to see Star Trek do Die Hard and then they did Starship Mine, although it was nowhere near as violent as I would have liked it.

Although I still crack up at the final scene.

Christopher August 14 2008 02:35 PM

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The violence of "Starship Mine" was what I hated about it. I thought it was gratuitous the way the scriptwriter deliberately engineered the situation to ensure that all the boarders would be killed, and I thought it was contemptible that after taking all those lives, Picard was shown just joking around about his saddle rather than having to deal with the emotional cost of what he'd had to do.

Trent Roman August 14 2008 03:11 PM

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Gratuitous, perhaps, but why would Picard incur an 'emotional cost' from it? Given the length of his career, I'm sure it wasn't the first time he'd been obliged to use lethal force to defend himself and his ship.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Rush Limborg August 14 2008 05:29 PM

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Well, at least after the boss girl's ship blew up, Picard didn't go, "Yippie-ki-yay, muddah-:censored:"!

DGCatAniSiri August 14 2008 06:05 PM

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Trent Roman wrote: (Post 1943735)
Gratuitous, perhaps, but why would Picard incur an 'emotional cost' from it? Given the length of his career, I'm sure it wasn't the first time he'd been obliged to use lethal force to defend himself and his ship.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Maybe it's just because it's been some time since I saw Starship Mine so my memories are a bit fuzzy, but I can understand where Christopher is coming from. Yes, they were thieves, but they also had set it up so that their thieving wouldn't harm anyone, stealing during the sweep that had the ship emptied. And then Picard goes and kills all of them. They weren't cold-blooded killers.

Turtletrekker August 14 2008 06:09 PM

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They cold-bloodedly killed old Calvin Hutchinson down on the surface. IIRC, Kelsey cold-bloodedly killed Neil after his usefulness came to an end. Kelsey was planning on selling the trilithium resin to people who would use it for cold-blooded violence. These people were not to be handled lightly.

Christopher August 14 2008 08:29 PM

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Trent Roman wrote: (Post 1943735)
Gratuitous, perhaps, but why would Picard incur an 'emotional cost' from it? Given the length of his career, I'm sure it wasn't the first time he'd been obliged to use lethal force to defend himself and his ship.

Even so, you'd have to be a sociopath not to feel some regret at the necessity. Hell, it's even an established part of Picard's character -- recall the final log entry in "Conspiracy" where he expressed regret at the loss of life he had to inflict.

And just in general, I dislike it when writers treat the death of human beings (or in this case, sentient beings) as some casual, unimportant thing. Death is a loss that should be acknowledged, never trivialized.


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