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golakers August 10 2008 05:57 AM

No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Just watched "Relics" tonight. I was so excited for this crossover when it first aired in 1992. Watching it again, I'm reminded what a bummer this episode turned out to be even though it had much potential.

Ron Moore sure threw out some TOS love with the references to Kirk and especially the real fanboy references to "By Any other Name". "Elaan of Troyus" and a couple other old episodes.

However, Moore didn't reference that Scotty was a rockstar engineer and a known part of Starfleet history. I was disappointed that Geordi and Picard didn't immediately recognize Scotty. A little recognition and props for being the legendary "miracle worker" It seemed like they knew Kirk and the Enterprise, but Scotty got sold short in terms of name recognition.

Did anyone else feel this way? It made the whole useless old guy story line even more depressing.

Kegek August 10 2008 06:07 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Quote:

golakers wrote: (Post 1929161)
A little recognition and props for being the legendary "miracle worker"

You mean the guy who exaggerated his estimates to make himself appear more competent? Yeah, we had that discussed.

I thought the episode handled Scotty very well. He's a popular character from the original series - which doesn't necessarily make him to be an unparalled and legendary engineer. This episode could have easily been pure fanservice with everyone on TNG simply gushing at Scotty's presence and begging him to regale them with plotlines from the sixties show, but it managed to tell a story about Scotty and how the elderly can feel obsolescent in modern society. Scotty's exactly what the title suggests - a relic; and his achievements are ancient history.

sbk1234 August 10 2008 07:07 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
^^^Agreed. There would be no drama or interest if everybody was worshipping the ground he walked on. Part of the point - at least what I got - was that Scotty himself wasn't willing to accept that he had to change and adapt to his new situation. He WANTED everyone to kiss his butt, and got upset when they wouldn't, such as Geordi wanting to do his job instead of listening to someone who is 70 years behind the technology. When Picard mentioned studying up, Scotty refused.
That this story was told with a character who was loved and revered by so many fans made the point even more emotionally.

Sheliak August 10 2008 07:33 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Who built the Dyson Sphere?

Captain Leslie August 10 2008 09:10 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
What....the vacuum cleaner?

Finn August 10 2008 11:18 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Oh, come on. Don't be such a geek :lol:. It was never shown how well known Scotty is in history. Kirk and Spock are probably the only ones from TOS that is revered and well respected in Picard's time. Scotty and McCoy may be familiar to those in their respective fields. Sulu, Chekov and Uhuru probably have been forgetten by most.

The Old Mixer August 10 2008 02:29 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Geordi probably skipped class when they talked about Scotty...same as he skipped class when they talked about how to eject the warp core.

votd August 10 2008 04:47 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Surely all the chief engineers of starships are miracle workers the trouble they always get in; why would Scotty be remembered as anything special?

number6 August 10 2008 08:22 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
I thought Geordi was a complete douche. He should have been a little more respectful.

Red Ranger August 10 2008 10:10 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
The whole point of the ep was how elders don't get respect. But as for totally dissing Scotty, I disagree. First off, Geordi is highly impressed with how Scotty rigged the transporter on the Jenolan to keep the patterns from reappearing. Second, Geordi reassures Scotty that he's still useful later on by saying something to the effect that just because something is old doesn't mean it isn't useful. Third, you see two engineers who do respect each other's gifts and have admiration for one another after averting a crisis together. So sure, Scotty does get a bit dissed, but it's not complete. After all, any of us, if we had been "asleep" for 80 years, would probably be seen as the village idiot if we awoke in the year 2088. -- RR

The Old Mixer August 10 2008 10:28 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
I also have to wonder...would even somebody studying engineering at the U.S. Naval Academy know the name and accomplishments of the chief engineer of the WWII aircraft carrier U.S.S. Enterprise?

Keith1701 August 10 2008 11:27 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
Quote:

Kegek wrote: (Post 1929179)
Quote:

golakers wrote: (Post 1929161)
A little recognition and props for being the legendary "miracle worker"

You mean the guy who exaggerated his estimates to make himself appear more competent? Yeah, we had that discussed.

I thought the episode handled Scotty very well. He's a popular character from the original series - which doesn't necessarily make him to be an unparalled and legendary engineer. This episode could have easily been pure fanservice with everyone on TNG simply gushing at Scotty's presence and begging him to regale them with plotlines from the sixties show, but it managed to tell a story about Scotty and how the elderly can feel obsolescent in modern society. Scotty's exactly what the title suggests - a relic; and his achievements are ancient history.

but Scotty was a "miracle worker" for sure.:);)

Finn August 10 2008 11:35 PM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
How do we know he was the best engineer in Starfleet. For all we know, there was another ship with a chief engineer that performs even better than Scotty did for Enterprise.

golakers August 11 2008 12:05 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
You all made some very good points. Thanks for the feedback. I just re-watched it after reading the responses and see watch you're talking about.

Thanks.

CaptainStoner August 11 2008 12:07 AM

Re: No respect for the character of Scotty in "Relics"?
 
I like this Scotty episode better than the Spock one. A stronger, simpler story. One question I have is, what's become of McCoy by then? It's not likely that Data would have forgotten the association, so it may be that McCoy dies between Farpoint and S5 TNG. He was depicted as extremely frail so it may well be.

I agree it was necessary for Geordi and the others to be a bit insensitive, and Scotty a bit stubborn, which of course was no stretch - for the story to work.


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