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Danoz June 16 2008 02:45 PM

Q Who? - What were Q's Motives?
 
I know we've discussed this several times, but I'm interested in seeing a poll breakdown of how people feel about his motives in this episode. It's really a fascinating episode that has led to a lot of speculation about Guinan's identity and powers, the nature of the Q and the evolution (as well as discontinuity) of the nature of the Borg.

Mysterious Items:

1. As mentioned by a recent poster: Guinan's stance seems to suggest some kind of defensive capability against Q. Q also seems weary of her and refers to her as an "imp." They also mention an encounter from several century ago, and Guinan refers to other members of the continuum being "almost respectable."

2. The Borg's later assimilation/interest in organic material is not mentioned anywhere in the episode. Q says they have no "leader," (a notion altered by the creation of the "Borg Queen."

My interest in this thread, is more with Q's intentions.

Guinan seems to suggest that Q is a chaotic and immoral creature, and that he prematurely introduced the Federation to the Borg for virtually no other reason than to cause trouble.

Picard suggests that Q has done the "right thing for the wrong reasons." That while he motives may have been to cause trouble or "shake things up," knocking the federation out of their "complacency" may have actually been in the best interest of the Federation.

There seem to be other options not presented by Guinan or Picard. It's quite possible, actually (given the nature of Q in later episodes) that his action (while presented in a rather sensational way) was ultimately in the best interest of the federation by design. When Riker gets angry with Picard about the loss of several crewmates during their forced encounter, Q uses the "bloody nose" metaphor to tell them that space is dangerous and that they need to be better prepared for it.

Forgive the simplicity, but I'm going to provide only three motives. Feel free to add a 4th or 5th in your reply if you feel it's necessary.

1. Picard's view: Q, in his trouble making, inadvertently did the best thing for the Federation-- though this was not necessarily his intention.

2. Guinan's view: Q, a menace, prematurely forced an encounter that shouldn't have occurred for centuries-- at a time when the Federation may have been prepared.

3. Additional opinions: Q, though a Loki-like figure in his presentation, was acting in the best interest of humanity by knocking them out of their complacency.

USS Excelsior June 16 2008 02:55 PM

Re: Q Who? - What were Q's Motives?
 
I would say option #1, with the additional motive of being smug about it too.

erastus25 June 16 2008 02:59 PM

Re: Q Who? - What were Q's Motives?
 
I think he actually intended to help the Federation, and he knew it. The Borg were already establishing a presence in the AQ (see: The Neutral Zone) and Q realized that without some advanced warning Starfleet would be toast. So he gave them that warning.

RobertScorpio June 16 2008 05:00 PM

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I think Q did the right thing for the right reason. If he can see into the future, and I think he can, then he saw the Dominion War not too far in the future. So his motives not only helped with future dealings with the Borg, but also prepared Starfleet for other galactic threats as well..

Rob
Scorpio

Kirkunit June 16 2008 05:17 PM

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I'm not really sure what you're getting at, since both Picard's & Guinan's views are correct -- from their respective points of view. They can also both be true, without negating each other. And, isn't option 3 really restating option 1?

I think it's pretty clear that Q's motive is to show Picard that he could be a useful member of the crew, even if he had to stir up a hornet's nest to do it.

Danoz June 16 2008 05:57 PM

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Kirkunit wrote: (Post 1745604)
I'm not really sure what you're getting at, since both Picard's & Guinan's views are correct -- from their respective points of view. They can also both be true, without negating each other. And, isn't option 3 really restating option 1?

I think it's pretty clear that Q's motive is to show Picard that he could be a useful member of the crew, even if he had to stir up a hornet's nest to do it.

I think Picard suggests that Q's actions were inadvertently in humanity's best interest. Option 3 suggests that "helping" them was no accidental, nor was it necessarily for the "wrong reasons" (beyond mere gloating rights).

RobertScorpio June 16 2008 06:10 PM

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Quote:

Kirkunit wrote: (Post 1745604)
I'm not really sure what you're getting at, since both Picard's & Guinan's views are correct -- from their respective points of view. They can also both be true, without negating each other. And, isn't option 3 really restating option 1?

I think it's pretty clear that Q's motive is to show Picard that he could be a useful member of the crew, even if he had to stir up a hornet's nest to do it.

This is where I don't understand Q. If Q can see the future, then he already knew that Picard wasn't going to let him join the crew. So this would suggest that Q can not see the future or you into this whole "GOD" knows everything already so..why?..

Q's joining the Q, and being denied, was Q's intent all along..I think. He did it so as to prepare the Feds, not to join the crew..IMO..

Rob
Scorpio

matthunter June 16 2008 06:14 PM

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If Q is indeed omniscient, then he was already aware that Picard was capable of passing his test in All Good Things. Since that indicates to the Q that humanity are potentially on an evolutionary track that will result in them becoming equals to the Continuum, Q may have had a vested interest in giving them a slight helping hand - after all, the Borg aren't likely to evolve much further than they already have, humanity very well might.

Danoz June 16 2008 06:23 PM

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I think it's clear, however, that the Q exist in a linear continuum (whether part of our time-line or not). It makes sense to me that he would engage Picard in a linear way of action/reaction. Even the wormhole aliens from DS9 interact with humans over longitudinal points in time.

Holdfast June 16 2008 07:06 PM

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I think Q was having a bit of fun, but with a kernel of good intentions. Very Puck-ish, if you like.

Pensive June 17 2008 01:29 AM

Re: Q Who? - What were Q's Motives?
 
I think Q did the right thing for the right reason. Picard needed the entire humble pie, and Q gave them a leg up in dealing with the threat of the Borg.

loldrey June 19 2008 06:44 PM

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If I were Q, I'd have a lot of fun messing with Picard.. he gets so flustered, it's bound to be entertaining, even though he knows Picard isn't going to let him have his way.. that's probably why it's so fun.

Smiley June 19 2008 08:19 PM

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I voted that the first option because I don't think he has knowledge of the future, and he is a troublemaker. However, it could just as easily be the third option if he's just going by likely possibilities. The novel Q & A posits a reason for Q's actions with the end goal being the safety of the universe. That's self-serving in its own way, but it has beneficial side effects, too.

blueziggy June 19 2008 08:28 PM

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i vote for the option:

Q did it because the writers couldnt find a better way to introduce a powerful, scary enemy.

DanCPA June 20 2008 05:58 PM

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Well, I think Q did the right thing for the wrong reason... and frankly that reason is his own greed and amusement. Think of it like this, how much fun could the Q really have with civilizations if the Borg assimilate the entire Milky Way? So, they give Starfleet a kick in the butt to get them to defeat the Borg...

I also assume that Q is how Voyager was always repaired every week with limitless shuttles :D


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