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Admiral Buzzkill May 23 2008 05:19 PM

"Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise
 
This is something I've been fiddling with, off and on, for a long time. I've been fascinated by Jefferies' design for the refit Enterprise since I first saw Mike Minor's renderings of it in Starlog back in 1978.

The modeling is complete except for airlock and running light details. I haven't done any texturing yet.

As reference for this, I've used the Jefferies drawings available online as well as photographs of the partially completed model and Minor's color renderings. Where there are inconsistencies I've privileged the Jefferies art over the model and the model over the Minor renderings. I've done my best to ignore what I know about the TMP improvements, and invented, added and extrapolated very very little. Therefore the detailing on this version may be rather plain, even compared to the original TOS shooting model.

My intent was to get as close as I could to what Jefferies appears to have intended the ship to look like.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...seii_front.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...aseii_rear.jpg

This is in Lightwave, and I'll release the mesh over at www.foundation3d.com as soon as it's textured - probably about two weeks, as I have some work I'm doing for other folks that needs to be finished up immediately.

NiteTrek May 23 2008 05:42 PM

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Looks good! In all the models of NCC-1701, I always wondered why they didn't have a rear firing torpedo bay at the same level on the neck (or close) to the forward firing bays. You could have the same crew man both bays or at least make it easier since they would be so close together.

RobertScorpio May 23 2008 06:04 PM

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Starship Polaris wrote: (Post 1669106)
This is something I've been fiddling with, off and on, for a long time. I've been fascinated by Jefferies' design for the refit Enterprise since I first saw Mike Minor's renderings of it in Starlog back in 1978.

The modeling is complete except for airlock and running light details. I haven't done any texturing yet.

As reference for this, I've used the Jefferies drawings available online as well as photographs of the partially completed model and Minor's color renderings. Where there are inconsistencies I've privileged the Jefferies art over the model and the model over the Minor renderings. I've done my best to ignore what I know about the TMP improvements, and invented, added and extrapolated very very little. Therefore the detailing on this version may be rather plain, even compared to the original TOS shooting model.

My intent was to get as close as I could to what Jefferies appears to have intended the ship to look like.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...seii_front.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1...aseii_rear.jpg

This is in Lightwave, and I'll release the mesh over at www.foundation3d.com as soon as it's textured - probably about two weeks, as I have some work I'm doing for other folks that needs to be finished up immediately.

Damn..my work computer won't let me view anything at photobucket...would love to see your material..and I love that PHASE II book. The art and all the behind the scenes stuff is fascinating. But, after reading those stories they were to have done, not sure if it would have gone over. Roddenberry's writing seemed stalled in the 60s...

Rob
Scorpio

Gep Malakai May 23 2008 07:33 PM

Re: "Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise
 
Beautiful work. I've also been interested in the unproduced Phase II version, so it's great to see it come to life.

How many faces does the mesh come out to?

137th Gebirg May 23 2008 08:33 PM

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NiteTrek wrote: (Post 1669180)
Looks good! In all the models of NCC-1701, I always wondered why they didn't have a rear firing torpedo by at the same level on the neck (or close) to the forward firing bays. You could have the same crew man both bays or at least make it easier since they would be so close together.

In "Ships of the Starfleet Vol. 1" by Mastercom Data Center, they came up with the America class Heavy Cruiser that addressed this very thing.

NiteTrek May 23 2008 10:29 PM

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137th Gebirg wrote: (Post 1669890)
In "Ships of the Starfleet Vol. 1" by Mastercom Data Center, they came up with the America class Heavy Cruiser that addressed this very thing.

Cool! Are there any more "finished" pictures of this ship?

Patrickivan May 23 2008 10:31 PM

Re: "Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise
 
Very nice- however in the movie posters in the comic books that I have, there seems to be a significant amount off windows. Especially on the saucer, though the egineering section seems to have many windows too. I assume you have seen these images, and if so, why leave them off the render?

I too thought this was a neat concept. A bridge between TOS and TMP Enterprise. It always seemed pausible to me that after the first 3 years of the 5 year mission, this could have been how the ship was refitted over time. In pieces that were replaced- first the warp nacelles, pylons, and engineering section. The bridge module is swapped out. Modifications are made to the neck and the photon torpedoe launcher. The saucer is refitted with more windows- and whatever. By the end of the 5 year mission, we have this ship, and it is this ship that is "Refitted" into the MP Enterprise. Making the transition to the motion picture "refit" more reasonable. Decker's statement is so much more reasonable because this one is closer looking in a lot of respects (especially the engineering section). This is a ship that seemed plausible in the Star Trek universe.

Well done!

Bernard Guignard May 23 2008 11:34 PM

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Very nice work.

dru May 24 2008 01:11 AM

Re: "Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise
 
Excellent. :bolian:

Admiral Buzzkill May 24 2008 02:52 AM

Re: "Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise
 
Thanks, guys. :)

Quote:

Patrickivan wrote: (Post 1670402)
Very nice- however in the movie posters in the comic books that I have, there seems to be a significant amount off windows. Especially on the saucer, though the egineering section seems to have many windows too. I assume you have seen these images, and if so, why leave them off the render?

Because the poster image you're referring to - which is very cool - is art created after the fact for marketing purposes related to ST-TMP. All of those windows and much of the suggestions of nerny detailing don't have anything to do with the actual design of the "Phase II" ship as drawn by Jefferies or constructed by Loos or rendered from those references by Mike Minor during the period that the series was in pre-production. Dynamic as it is, the poster image doesn't accurately reflect what was designed and (partly) built.

I based the window placement on the mesh directly on Jefferies' detailed drawings of the engineering hull, photographs of the interconnecting neck on the Don Loos model, and on the Minor art - the last indicates that the arrangement of windows on the saucer would have been very similar to the TOS ship, so I used that vessel for additional reference to fill it out a bit.

This mesh sits at about 75,000 polygons, I think.

Shaw May 24 2008 05:12 AM

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I've noticed that a lot of people add in the deflector dish on the secondary hull... this has been one of those details that has always troubled me because it is absent from every Phase II drawing I've seen to date, but Jefferies took great care in making sure that it was included (in detail) in the original plans for the Enterprise back in 1964 (comparison below).


I was wondering if you had found some additional details on this area that I've over looked or if this was (in the absence of concrete evidence either way) a style choice?

I love this ship though (even without the texturing).

It is great that between your work here and that of NBTrekie that we finally have some realizations of it that can give us some idea of what we might have seen had we gotten the series.

MauriceNavidad May 24 2008 06:03 AM

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Nice work!

If you're ignoring the refit, why are the warp grilles TMP purple? Just curious.

Captain Robert April May 24 2008 07:13 AM

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To paraphrase Vina, he has to color them something...doesn't he? :D

Jon1701 May 24 2008 10:57 AM

Re: "Star Trek: Phase II" Enterprise
 
Great work, Dennis.

Are you going to do anything with the *say it quietly* Nacelle caps? Looking on your model you've greyed them out. I'm at work at the moment, so I can't remember the detail on that picture of the unfinished model.

Did he jefferies intend to have anything going on there?

Do you?

NiteTrek May 24 2008 03:09 PM

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jon1701 wrote: (Post 1671694)
Are you going to do anything with the *say it quietly* Nacelle caps?

I wonder how they would look with something similar to the sparkly glow of the original (of course you couldn't do the spinning effect.)

I really like this model, I hope once it's complete you would consider adding some cool background shots so we can use as wallpaper. :)


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