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Starscape May 20 2008 12:14 PM

Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
I'm sure many of you will remember NCC-1701's Apex Class thread (see here). Well, I was very impressed with the look of his designs, especially this sketch:

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...sketch_sml.jpg

And with NCC-1701's permission I've set out to develop this idea a little further and build up a 3D model.

In NCC-1701's thread the design evolved into a more of Daedelus era ship, whereas here I want to keep more of the TOS look about the design.

I'm still in the early stages of building the 3D model. My main departure from NCC-1701's sketch is the integration of the shuttlebay "module" with the upper section of the engineering hull. Although, I do like the modular look in the sketch, I couldn't quite reconcile the off-set shuttlebay with my chosen number of deck for the ship (9 main decks).

Here's how it looks so far:

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...lass_test1.jpg

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...lass_test2.jpg

More coming soon...

Comments and suggestions are welcome. ;)

Irishman May 20 2008 01:21 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Me likey!

M May 20 2008 01:43 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
:eek: Honestly, I'm speechless! It simply looks fantastic! I love how you modeled the bridge more in the style of a Constitution class ship. Also, the new secondary hull with the shuttlebay ... astonishing! It really comes all together. You even fixed something I never could get quite right in my sketches: The link between the sphere and the secondary hull. (Without 3D technology it's quite hard to imagine how a spherical object and a cigar-shaped thing come together.)

Anyway, I'm looking forward to how this will develop. Good job, Starscape! :bolian:

Wingsley May 20 2008 05:47 PM

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Great 3D modeling. Great job!

It's fascinating to see the Apex drawings seemingly "coming to life". I've said it before: the Daedalus concept in the TOS/pre-TOS galaxy has enormous aesthetic and dramatic potential. I would love to see a post-ENT/pre-TOS/TOS-era story featuring a ship like this.

Needs more of a "Cage"/"Where No Man Has Gone Before"-type bridge.

Wingsley May 20 2008 05:49 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Hmmm...

Given the size, could this ship be, or could it be related to, Capt. Merrik's SS Beagle?

Starscape May 21 2008 07:59 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Thanks very much guys! Glad you like it. :D

Quote:

NCC-1701 wrote: (Post 1657812)
You even fixed something I never could get quite right in my sketches: The link between the sphere and the secondary hull. (Without 3D technology it's quite hard to imagine how a spherical object and a cigar-shaped thing come together.)

It's something I find difficult to imagine too. These days I'm a lot faster moving a design from 2D to 3D just so I can see how the all curves/shapes will intersect.

Quote:

Wingsley wrote: (Post 1658461)
Needs more of a "Cage"/"Where No Man Has Gone Before"-type bridge.

Okay, here's a try at a "Cage"-type bridge. I did it fairly roughly, with the expectation that I wouldn't like it (since it looks awful on the Enterprise), but now I see it... it's growing on me. Add in a few modifications and I might just keep it. :)

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...lass_test3.jpg

Here's another small addition, the lower sensor dome:

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...lass_test4.jpg

Wingsley May 22 2008 01:08 AM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
There is another possibility, if you're so inclined:

The dome-like structure on which the bridge sits could be stretched upward, so that the aft hull would blend into this sub-dome, and then the bridge would sit on top of that.

Here's another idea, unrelated: the NCC banner should run across the front slope of the sub-dome. The ship name would span the flat bench around the base of the bridge. That's just an aesthetic suggestion.

NiteTrek May 22 2008 02:31 AM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Quote:

Starscape wrote: (Post 1657668)
http://website.lineone.net/%7Eelsl/a...lass_test2.jpg

Comments and suggestions are welcome. ;)

Is that Sulu's new ship? :rommie:

M May 22 2008 03:21 AM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Quote:

NiteTrek wrote: (Post 1663825)
Is that Sulu's new ship? :rommie:

You have a dirty mind. :p

@ Starscape: Personally I favor the "TOS bridge design" over the Cage one, but that's just me. Still love to look at your images. :)

Wingsley June 3 2008 09:40 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
I just wanted to chime in and say that Starscape's work on the Apex concept is outstanding to date. It shows that there really was something unique and interesting, and yet familial with the TOS Enterprise, to Jefferies' original concept drawings over 40 years ago.

Starscape June 3 2008 11:40 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Thanks Wingsley. I haven't forgotten about this, I'm just taking a little time to rethink my approach.

When I started I didn't really have a clear idea of how certain aspects of the design would work out (specifically the size of the bridge) and it was starting to bug me. I tried to sort the size problems out by scaling the model comparing it to my Enterprise model. It didn't help much so I rebuilt the model using top three decks of the Enterprise as a guide.

Here's a comparison of the old and new apex models to scale next to the Enterprise:

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...rise_comp1.jpg

I'm still not happy with the new model, though. The engineering section needs to be sleeker and, perhaps, follow the lines of the Enterprise engineering hull more closely.

Wingsley June 4 2008 12:00 AM

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I like them both, and I can see them each as starship classes.

I could see your larger Apex as the "real" Scout/Destroyer class Federation starships; like FJ's Saladin/Hermes. Maybe this one could even use the same nacelles as the Enterprise, or a somewhat scaled down version of the same technology.

Your smaller Apex could be much smaller class of vessel, like the SS Beagle or perhaps the remastered Aurora.

There is a way to make the aft section flow in the spheroid nose: As I suggested in my earlier (May 22) posting, the dome-like structure on the topside of the sphere, on which the bridge sits, could be stretched upward, so that the aft hull would blend into this sub-dome, and then the bridge would sit on top of that. This would blend the top of the sphere with the aft hull.

Starscape June 4 2008 06:47 PM

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Quote:

Wingsley wrote: (Post 1705921)
There is a way to make the aft section flow in the spheroid nose: As I suggested in my earlier (May 22) posting, the dome-like structure on the topside of the sphere, on which the bridge sits, could be stretched upward, so that the aft hull would blend into this sub-dome, and then the bridge would sit on top of that. This would blend the top of the sphere with the aft hull.

I understand what you're getting at and it would be possible, but I'm not too keen on the idea. I might give it try to see how it looks, though. ;)

Starscape June 9 2008 04:27 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
I made this quick attempt a few days ago following Wingsley's suggestion:

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...ass_test11.jpg

(It was easier to re-build the upper section from scratch and since this was just a test of the forward section I didn't add the hanger door details at the rear.)

Hmmm, I think I prefer the look of the thinner "dome" above the sphere section from the previous models, so I'm going to stick with that.

Also, I've started the model again, this time taking more care with the shapes and proportions. I've no images yet, but I should have something soon. :)

Starscape June 11 2008 10:34 PM

Re: Developing NCC-1701's Apex Class [3D]
 
Here are some images of my latest model of the Apex. That is, if anyone is interested - I hope so, because this one is much better. ;)

With this version of the model, I've taken a lot more visual cues from the Constitution class and settled on 14-15 decks for the ship, this means the bridge, lower sensor dome and hanger bay are the same size as those on the Enterprise.


http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...xclass_a04.jpg

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...xclass_a01.jpg

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...xclass_a02.jpg

http://website.lineone.net/~elsl/ape...xclass_a03.jpg


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