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suzi August 18 2003 01:16 PM

Are there any canon books?
 
Apart from the movie adaptions are there any books that are considered canon?

ecky August 18 2003 01:20 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
none, not even the movie adaptations are canon.

parts of 'pathways' and 'mosaic' were canon while jeri taylor looked over VOY, as soon as she walked out of the door that was changed though.

i live in hope that one day paramount will authorise a 'canonical' line of books since the movie part of the franchise appears to be dead in the water atm.

suzi August 18 2003 01:24 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Hmm ok thanks. Its a shame.

Why arent the movie adaptions considered canon though?

ecky August 18 2003 01:45 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
couple of reasons, firstly the novelisations are finished before the movie usually.

GEN is an example where in the hardback you get the original kirk death scene which was changed in the movie due to negative reactions during a test screen. for the hardback to be canon would be to contradict the screen version.

secondly the authors have some latitude to 'pad' out the book since novelization of the actual script wouldn't take up many pages (scripts look big due to double spacing and directions, when condensed into a novel its gets a lot smaller). the TUC novelisation has an attack on a colony carol marcus is on for example to explain kirks bitterness at the klingons being revived.

so thats why novelisations aren't canon :)

23skidoo August 18 2003 04:14 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Quote:

Posted by suzi:
Why arent the movie adaptions considered canon though?

In addition to the reasons mentioned above, the novelizations also introduce aspects of the characters that, for one reason or another, were rejected by TPTB. For example, Saavik being half-Romulan and being David Marcus' lover.

Not even Gene Roddenberry's TMP novelization counts because certain aspects of it contradict the movie (I haven't read the book in 23 years so I can't remember what).

I think part of it is the feeling that if Paramount canonized SOME books, there would be pressure for them to canonize them all. Doing so would introduce some irreconcilable continuity problems ie. between Diane Duane's Rhiannsu Romulan novels and TNG, Starfleet Year One and ENT, and Enterprise: the First Adventure and TOS (Janice Rand being only 16 years old, ENT being a Constellation class vessel, etc.).

Also, didn't Corona give a Stardate of 0001 or something like that as well?

Cheers!

Alex

James Dixon August 19 2003 02:16 AM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Oh, Gene! After reading the subject title I just Had to stick my head in here...

Uh, yeah, there's ONE canon book... It's called the Fandom Star Trek Chronology!

Now watch the fur fly...

Zyzyx1701D August 19 2003 02:20 AM

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Posted by James Dixon:

Now watch the fur fly...
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<looks around in vain for fur, then quietly steps out>

Lindley August 19 2003 02:39 AM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
While its not officially canon, there are many of us who feel that the DS9 Relaunch may as well be canon. It won't be contradicted in all likelyhood, and the quality is certainly there.

AlexR August 19 2003 03:26 AM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Quote:

Posted by Lindley:
While its not officially canon, there are many of us who feel that the DS9 Relaunch may as well be canon. It won't be contradicted in all likelyhood, and the quality is certainly there.

Well, to be fair, that could apply to a whole lot of books for pretty much all the series except "Enterprise", 'cause the others are all done, as far as we can tell.

In practice, if you want to include books in your personal concept of what's part of Star Trek, go ahead. I do. :)

But unless there's a big change in who's running Trek, the studio isn't going to consider the books as including material they have to be beholden to. In some ways, that's why I almost hope they don't bring DS9 back on film, 'cause if they do, it's likely to mess up the Relaunch books, and almost certainly won't be as good.

Best,
Alex

TrekGuide.com August 19 2003 03:32 AM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Canon is an internal concept important only to the producers of the new TV episodes. When they write a new script, they ask, "what set of facts does this script need to follow?" Since the Paramount TV producers have nothing to do with the other companies that print derivative books and magazines, they clearly do not include those derivative products in their "canon."

Even the Jeri Taylor novels would later be ignored or contradicted as the TV series went on, so while they may have included some ideas from the show's creator, they were not actually canon in the end.

No series of books will ever be canon, because books are not produced by the producers of the TV series -- it's a whole seperate operation, and the TV producers don't read the books.

At any time, the TV producers are free to introduce facts in the show that contradict ANY book. Because canon is an internal concept for TV production. It has nothing to do with books, or fans for that matter.

8-4-7-2 August 19 2003 01:32 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Quote:

Posted by Lindley:
While its not officially canon, there are many of us who feel that the DS9 Relaunch may as well be canon. It won't be contradicted in all likelyhood, and the quality is certainly there.

There is the possibility that the Enterprise writers screw up the Andorians

Though I doubt they'll go that deep into their culture. Especially now that the show is more about the Delphic Expanse

Lindley August 19 2003 01:56 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
I should clarify. The reason I mentioned the DS9 Relaunch above other books, like New Frontier, is that as far as I can tell, every other book set in 2376 (the year of the Relaunch) has either referenced it, or at the least not contradicted it.

Therefore, it seems to have taken on a sort of "canon as far as the books are concerned" status.

Blake August 19 2003 03:50 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Gene Roddenberry's excellent Star Trek The Motion Picture novel is canon.
It was written by Star Trek's creator.
Its just as much canon as the George Lucas Star Wars movie novel.The reason why Treks canon is a mess is because there have been different people in charge,GR,Harve Bennet,Berman.If only GR had brought the rights to Star Trek,in the early 70s,the excellent background work wrote into TMP novel eg new Klingon cruisers,new humans,Star FLeet comand policy could have been expanded in the sequel movie or a new tv series.

MCabrera August 19 2003 04:20 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
Quote:

Posted by Lindley:
I should clarify. The reason I mentioned the DS9 Relaunch above other books, like New Frontier, is that as far as I can tell, every other book set in 2376 (the year of the Relaunch) has either referenced it, or at the least not contradicted it.

Therefore, it seems to have taken on a sort of "canon as far as the books are concerned" status.

Divergent canons...interesting ;)

ecky August 19 2003 04:22 PM

Re: Are there any canon books?
 
^^ no its not. in the trek universe only that shown on screen is canon, if you have an issue with that i suggest you kindly inform paramount as its their rules.


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