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Joe_Atari August 24 2014 07:03 AM

The Cloud Minders: So Much Weird!
 
Just caught "The Cloud Minders" on MeTV tonight. One of my least favorite episodes (lacks the campy appeal of "Spock's Brain" and the so-bad-it's-fun of "And The Children Shall Lead") of any Trek series, and not helped at all by being the severely edited syndication cut. Still it's becoming like The Room for me: a train wreck I can't stop watching.

Just so much bizarre in this episode -- to name a few:

- Shatner's odd, disjointed performance in the opening scene in the teaser (was the director asleep?)

- "For what purpose?" -- not once, not twice, but three times (the first two occurrences within five minutes of one another!)

- The repeated use of optical zooms -- although I found the one transitioning to Vanna's torture scene quite effective

- The "Whoareyouwhatisthemeaningofthisattack?" dub is often mentioned, but Plasus' line "Leave here at once; go to your music" is not only unintentionally funny, but doesn't even sound like Jeff Corey and seems to be covering up a different line. Anyone know what it originally was in the shooting script?

- Speaking of Corey, I've not seen him in anything else, but yikes, that performance... And wasn't he an acting instructor?

- I've almost always found TOS' tracking of music from other episodes very well done, but the use of the climactic "Where No Man Has Gone Before" music for the fisticuffs on the planet surface in the first act was horribly inappropriate; doesn't work at all for me. Was Bob Justman in charge of the music tracking and wasn't this episode after he left the series?

- I just noticed that after Kirk, Plasus, and Vanna beam up to the transporter room toward the end of the episode, Vanna mysteriously falls to the floor unconscious shortly after beaming! If she was just in the way in the transporter platform shot, surely the director could have found a way to leave her on the planet instead.

- The Zenite gas mask has to rank with Dr. Crusher's early-season one TNG headgear/eyepiece as one of the strangest Trek props ever. How is that supposed to stay on the wearer's head anyway with that single strap over the top? It seems ready to fall off Shatner's head in every shot!

- In the midst of all the bizarre, I noticed one more thing I had never seen before: There's that ubiquitous, time-saving stock shot of the bridge (taken from between the communications and science stations) with Takei at the helm, (I think) Billy Blackburn at navigation, and looking at the viewscreen. The shot dates back to early in the first season and usually features Shatner sitting in the captain's chair, standing up, walking around, etc. In "Cloud Minders" however, the shot features Nimoy instead of Shatner doing basically the same movements. I can't recall the Nimoy shot being used anywhere else in the series; is it unique to this episode?

Melakon August 24 2014 07:42 AM

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"Very well, if you prefer the rays!"

T'Girl August 24 2014 08:19 AM

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One of my favorite episodes, fourth from the end of the TOS series. Gave us a rare look at a Federation Member planet and it's government, important clues as to the organization of the Federation.

Spock get to wax romantic for a hot skinny girl.

Art terrorists.

Contains one of Kirk's best lines ever; "Die from something that can't be seen? You astound me, Vanna."

:)

ZapBrannigan August 24 2014 08:55 AM

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Joe_Atari wrote: (Post 10021678)
There's that ubiquitous, time-saving stock shot of the bridge (taken from between the communications and science stations) with Takei at the helm, (I think) Billy Blackburn at navigation, and looking at the viewscreen. The shot dates back to early in the first season and usually features Shatner sitting in the captain's chair, standing up, walking around, etc. In "Cloud Minders" however, the shot features Nimoy instead of Shatner doing basically the same movements. I can't recall the Nimoy shot being used anywhere else in the series; is it unique to this episode?


The Spock version was also seen in "Arena" and "The Paradise Syndrome." If you look closely, you can tell that the uniforms are velour and thus don't match up with third season episodes.

If you A/B the Kirk and Spock shots, it's pretty clear they were filmed on the same occasion. If I remember correctly, it was referred to as a "tie-down shot" in the Solow/Justman book.

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Green Shirt August 24 2014 11:26 AM

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 10021993)
a hot skinny girl.


An oxymoron if ever I heard one. :devil:

CommishSleer August 24 2014 01:15 PM

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Bottom 5 episode for me.
Can't get over the Spock/Droxine thing to see what's good in this episode.

I realise that Droxine is hot but she's also quite vacuous - more suited for Riker methinks.

teacake August 24 2014 01:19 PM

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I don't think she's hot. I think she is pretty weird looking, which is a big :techman: because she is an alien.

I love this ep though. For the different setting.

EnriqueH August 24 2014 01:26 PM

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Joe_Atari wrote: (Post 10021678)
Just caught "The Cloud Minders" on MeTV tonight. One of my least favorite episodes (lacks the campy appeal of "Spock's Brain" and the so-bad-it's-fun of "And The Children Shall Lead") of any Trek series, and not helped at all by being the severely edited syndication cut. Still it's becoming like The Room for me: a train wreck I can't stop watching.

Just so much bizarre in this episode -- to name a few:

- Shatner's odd, disjointed performance in the opening scene in the teaser (was the director asleep?)

- "For what purpose?" -- not once, not twice, but three times (the first two occurrences within five minutes of one another!)

- The repeated use of optical zooms -- although I found the one transitioning to Vanna's torture scene quite effective

- The "Whoareyouwhatisthemeaningofthisattack?" dub is often mentioned, but Plasus' line "Leave here at once; go to your music" is not only unintentionally funny, but doesn't even sound like Jeff Corey and seems to be covering up a different line. Anyone know what it originally was in the shooting script?

- Speaking of Corey, I've not seen him in anything else, but yikes, that performance... And wasn't he an acting instructor?

- I've almost always found TOS' tracking of music from other episodes very well done, but the use of the climactic "Where No Man Has Gone Before" music for the fisticuffs on the planet surface in the first act was horribly inappropriate; doesn't work at all for me. Was Bob Justman in charge of the music tracking and wasn't this episode after he left the series?

- I just noticed that after Kirk, Plasus, and Vanna beam up to the transporter room toward the end of the episode, Vanna mysteriously falls to the floor unconscious shortly after beaming! If she was just in the way in the transporter platform shot, surely the director could have found a way to leave her on the planet instead.

- The Zenite gas mask has to rank with Dr. Crusher's early-season one TNG headgear/eyepiece as one of the strangest Trek props ever. How is that supposed to stay on the wearer's head anyway with that single strap over the top? It seems ready to fall off Shatner's head in every shot!

- In the midst of all the bizarre, I noticed one more thing I had never seen before: There's that ubiquitous, time-saving stock shot of the bridge (taken from between the communications and science stations) with Takei at the helm, (I think) Billy Blackburn at navigation, and looking at the viewscreen. The shot dates back to early in the first season and usually features Shatner sitting in the captain's chair, standing up, walking around, etc. In "Cloud Minders" however, the shot features Nimoy instead of Shatner doing basically the same movements. I can't recall the Nimoy shot being used anywhere else in the series; is it unique to this episode?

Boy, you really didn't like it, eh? :rommie:

I don't know, I enjoyed The Cloudminders, but you brought up some interesting points that had not occurred to me.

The two things that I noticed about the episode was that:

1) Spock talking about pon farr seemed out of character to me (one of only 2 times that I noticed that the character wasn't living up to his established history; the other was his attitude in "That Which Survives".

2) Its eyes were bigger than its stomach: the budget was WAY too slashed to do what they wanted to do. The caves, the city of Stratos. They did their best, but you can see this had a sweeping, epic nature that they wanted to convey about the planet, and they didn't quite pull it off. But I was still able to enjoy it as if it were live stage production of a Star Trek episode. And that meant that I thought the writing and acting was good.

I think I know what you mean about Jeff Corey, who not only was an acting instructor but I believe he was also Nimoy's acting instructor. So it was cool to see teacher-student onscreen together like Pacino-Lee Strasberg in Godfather II.

I found there was a certain truthfulness saturated in Jeff Corey's performance. There was a certain rawness and, yes, vitality about it. I thought he was effective. He unapologetically wore his emotions on his sleeve, and that honesty of expression is what endeared his performance to me.

The Old Mixer August 24 2014 03:43 PM

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Melakon wrote: (Post 10021855)
"Very well, if you prefer the rays!"

You forgot to punctuate that with a clap.

Mr. Laser Beam August 24 2014 03:49 PM

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The Old Mixer wrote: (Post 10022848)
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Melakon wrote: (Post 10021855)
"Very well, if you prefer the rays!"

You forgot to punctuate that with a clap.

Or a cowbell.

T'Girl August 24 2014 04:01 PM

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Green Shirt wrote: (Post 10022269)
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 10021993)
a hot skinny girl.

An oxymoron if ever I heard one.

You have difficulty with connecting "hot" and "girl?"
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CommishSleer wrote: (Post 10022485)
Can't get over the Spock/Droxine thing to see what's good in this episode.
I realise that Droxine is hot but she's also quite vacuous - more suited for Riker methinks.

From Spock's point of view, Droxine was urbane, cultured, educated, reserved, soft-spoken, she comes off as calm and cool. Spock, with his Vulcan up-bring, would find all of these attributes a plus.

Apparently Droxine is the kind of woman that Spock is attracted to. We've only seen Spock in a off-duty, private setting with a female on few occasions. this might be one of the few times we've seen this part of Spock's true character.

Also, physically compare Zoe Saldana's Uhura to Diana Ewing's Droxine. Willowy, slim and slender, small breasted, flat tummy, toned but not muscled. Both actresses 5' 7".

She is physically Spock's "type."

:)

Ithekro August 24 2014 04:20 PM

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Her outfit also has her navel exposed, which I seem to recall was something that was not done on TV eariler in Star Trek.

Push The Button August 24 2014 05:15 PM

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teacake wrote: (Post 10022497)
I don't think she's hot. I think she is pretty weird looking, which is a big :techman: because she is an alien.

I love this ep though. For the different setting.

Droxine doesn't do anything for me, I find Vanna to be much more attractive and interesting.

LMFAOschwarz August 24 2014 05:18 PM

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Droxine's voice would begin to grate on my nerves after a very short time. Maybe it was just her delivery, her lines had a weird oscillation of tonal quality...

The Old Mixer August 24 2014 05:36 PM

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Ithekro wrote: (Post 10022935)
Her outfit also has her navel exposed, which I seem to recall was something that was not done on TV eariler in Star Trek.

It was done at least a couple of times in the previous season's "Mirror, Mirror" and "A Private Little War", but was an issue for Barbara Eden during the same period...possibly a difference in time slot standards.


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