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Turd Ferguson July 27 2014 06:09 AM

Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing board
 
I mean, seriously? Commander John Harrison gives a vocal command for the ship to take him to Starfleet Headquarters. "Confirmed?" the ship asks. "Confirmed," Harrison replies, and then the ship promptly crushes Alcatraz before demolishing half of San Francisco. Harrison didn't say "Set a collision course for Starfleet Headquarters," he said, "Destination: Starfleet Headquarters."

Good thing Admiral Marcus didn't set a course for New Vulcan, the damn ship would have crashed into it. I believe a formal inquiry should be held.

I jest, of course, but this is a serious oversight on the part of the Dreadnaught-class design team :p

F. King Daniel July 27 2014 01:08 PM

Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo
 
Khan had cranked the voice command control lever past "mild suggestion", "regular command" and "urgent order" all the way to "take everything extremely literally"

I believe it's what the Enterprise computer was set on when Moriarty was created.

austen_pierce July 27 2014 01:56 PM

Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo
 
He then pushed the large black lever to "Ludicrous Speed"

YellowSubmarine July 27 2014 11:36 PM

Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo
 
It didn't take him where he wanted to go, it took him where he needed to go.

I Am Groot July 28 2014 12:22 AM

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Turd Ferguson wrote: (Post 9895135)
I mean, seriously? Commander John Harrison gives a vocal command for the ship to take him to Starfleet Headquarters. "Confirmed?" the ship asks. "Confirmed," Harrison replies, and then the ship promptly crushes Alcatraz before demolishing half of San Francisco. Harrison didn't say "Set a collision course for Starfleet Headquarters," he said, "Destination: Starfleet Headquarters."

Good thing Admiral Marcus didn't set a course for New Vulcan, the damn ship would have crashed into it. I believe a formal inquiry should be held.

I jest, of course, but this is a serious oversight on the part of the Dreadnaught-class design team :p

Their first mistake was when they uploaded the consciousness of Michael Scott (AKA Section 31 Agent Michael Scarn) into the navigation system of the Vengeance.


martok2112 July 28 2014 01:10 AM

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I do believe the computer advises Khan Harrison that its nav settings are unreliable due to heavy damage, or something along those lines.

COMPUTER: Engines compromised! Cannot guarantee destination! Confirm order?
KHAN: Confirm!


But you're right...Khan did not order a collision course...unless the computer is very context sensitive. LOL!

Timo July 28 2014 01:51 AM

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Well, the beginning of the movie solidly confirms that big starships can soft-land on Class M planets, exactly where they want. So setting a certain city block as the destination would be perfectly valid as such...

Khan could be relying on the "soft-landing" part falling apart by the time the ship gets to SF HQ doorstep, or he could issue further orders when the camera follows the perils of our heroes. But really, what we do see is a soft landing by any standards, for something that massive falling all the way from the Moon. It's just not a very accurate soft landing.

Timo Saloniemi

Enterprise1701 July 28 2014 03:16 AM

Re: Vengeance navigation system CLEARLY needs to go back to drawing bo
 
As shown in the movie, the Vengeance was badly damaged with the nacelles smoking. I thought it was pretty clear that the Vengeance was trying to fly in a straight line per Khan's orders, but the failing engines caused it to sink down through the air.

Cyke101 July 28 2014 04:22 PM

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I just realized a year later (lord, I feel so behind) that the movie is bookended by gigantic starships leaving one heck of an impression on a planet's population. Of course, one departed and one, um, landed.

After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."

martok2112 July 29 2014 12:26 AM

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Cyke101 wrote: (Post 9900727)
I just realized a year later (lord, I feel so behind) that the movie is bookended by gigantic starships leaving one heck of an impression on a planet's population. Of course, one departed and one, um, landed.

After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."

Followed swiftly by "Our insurance agent will be in contact with you, shortly.". :)

Lord Garth, FOI July 29 2014 03:19 AM

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It's a Star Destroyer
They aren't built for cornering and nimbleness

trevanian July 29 2014 03:53 AM

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austen_pierce wrote: (Post 9895933)
He then pushed the large black lever to "Ludicrous Speed"

They really did miss a trick not having a 'we brake for nobody' sticker on the VENGEANCE hull.

Or Sean Connery as the voice of the computer, informing HarriKhan as they hit town, "welcome to The Rock."

fireproof78 July 29 2014 05:03 AM

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martok2112 wrote: (Post 9903208)
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Cyke101 wrote: (Post 9900727)
I just realized a year later (lord, I feel so behind) that the movie is bookended by gigantic starships leaving one heck of an impression on a planet's population. Of course, one departed and one, um, landed.

After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."

Followed swiftly by "Our insurance agent will be in contact with you, shortly.". :)

Computer: "You just had an accident."

Khan: "I know I had an accident!"

With all do respect to the 5th Element :cool:

SPCTRE July 29 2014 08:29 AM

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Timo wrote: (Post 9898513)
for something that massive falling all the way from the Moon.

"That Spaceship came from the Moon."

F. King Daniel July 29 2014 09:35 AM

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Cyke101 wrote: (Post 9900727)
After crashing and Khan jumps out, I'd like to think that that the Vengeance computer said, "You have arrived at your destination."

:rofl:


By the way, the Vengeance computer voice was Bill Hader, of Saturday Night Live fame.


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