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Mytran June 13 2014 02:23 PM

Great new TMP pics!
 
As has been previously mentioned on this board, Roddenberry.com do a weekly podcast of Star Trek reviews and they also have a "discovered documents" section where previously unpublished material is released. This week they have a lot of TMP photos, contributed by someone who worked on the actual set! They are definitely worth a look:

http://missionlogpodcast.com/discovereddocuments/091/

Robert Comsol June 13 2014 05:41 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
WOW! This is fascinating behind behind-the-scenes stuff. :eek:

I find the unobstructed view of the spacedock wall painting (backdrop for the recreation room crew assembly scene) interesting although it unfortunately has many issues. :techman:

Here is Andrew Probert's original sketch for comparison:

http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...b.jpg~original

Bob

Christopher June 13 2014 07:19 PM

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That huge backdrop painting of the nacelle is amazing.

Mytran June 13 2014 09:06 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
Indeed! I had no idea til I saw these pics that it was a BACKDROP painting, I just assumed it had been matted in like in the TV series. Amazing

Maurice June 13 2014 10:26 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
Nothing much new in those photos, but that document about Spock's "Trial" is fascinating. It would have been difficult to pull of as a filmed sequence, but the literal "deviation from one's chosen path" is a great idea visually.

dg1379 June 13 2014 11:07 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
Never saw these before. That is an awesome background painting!

Mario de Monti June 14 2014 01:28 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
I guess were all blown away by that particular one - well, except Maurice ;)

Thanks for posting this, Mytran :techman:

Maurice June 14 2014 01:54 PM

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I've seen the painting before. :)

Mario de Monti June 14 2014 02:27 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
Thats what I thought and my remark was meant as a tip of the hat to your knowledge of Trek.

Maab June 14 2014 03:32 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
Quote:

Maurice wrote: (Post 9702853)
I've seen the painting before. :)

Where?!? (If I may ask)

However I also find extremely interesting the Phase II story proposal.

Best,
Maab

Robert Comsol June 14 2014 04:57 PM

Re: Great new TMP pics!
 
"Nothing much new in those photos" :confused:

While I've not seen every TMP photo ever printed in publication, I have seen quite a lot back then, but definitely never that drydock wall painting for the rec room scene without the studio set in front of it.

These are obviously not just some well known publicity stills, but private behind the scenes photos courtesy of the Resella family, so I find this remark not helpful at all, to say the least.

But while we are at this, maybe somebody can explain THIS:

http://www.marcellorossi.info/photo03.jpg

In Mytran's other thread (forced and faked Trek perspective drawings) it became rather clear, that just below the engine room set level they covered the floor with some kind of painted canvas to create the illusion of a long vertical engine core extending at least 5 deck levels down (the shadow towards Scotty's console indicates the end of the physical set element and the beginning of the painting):

http://www.marcellorossi.info/TMP%20...HD%20combo.jpg

The problem, obviously, is that the illusion requires a fixed position of the camera (Meyer took some liberties in the TWOK engine room inspection room scene if you look close at the wrinkled and reused canvas painting there).

In simpler language: The picture from the Resella family ("3 of 11" in the link) appears to be a different (earlier?) floor painting because it features a completely different viewing angle and with additional core segments!!! :eek:

If that isn't a little sensation, then I frankly don't know what would qualify as such. :rolleyes:

Bob

P.S.

Here is a graphic example how the illusion dissolves the moment the camera abandons its fixed position:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/1...43478e9a_c.jpg

Robert Comsol June 14 2014 06:04 PM

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Couldn't help but wonder, how Ben Resella was able to take these pictures. Well, turns out he was a Hollywood legend creating painted sceneries and looking again at the context of the link it became obvious, that he was apparently in charge of painting the engine core extensions, the corridor extension and the giant drydock painting.

And I'm afraid, Mytran is now going to be in trouble. The link should have been in your thread about "Forced Perspectives", didn't you hear about the BBS prohibition of posting double threads? ;) (just kidding, but I think there should be a quick update in the "Forced Perspectives" thread, now that we located the artist for a couple of those).

Bob

Robert Comsol June 14 2014 07:14 PM

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Okay, until we hear some solid background information on the alternate engine core painting, I'd say it's up to speculation and here are my 0.02 $:
  • This painting is post-Minor and post-Phase II because it features no longer the "Minor spheres" but these cylindrical and connecting segments instead which we saw in he final film
  • We are probably looking at the first engine core extension painting intended for a scene that didn't make it into the film. Either Bob Wise wanted to shoot Kirk's entry differently or the original plan (a camera pan from the lower core to the upper engine room level / physical set) didn't work out because it became too obvious that the extension was fake (this was still the "analog" age, so how this would have looked on film depended entirely on shooting it first and then evaluating the footage)
  • Instead, they decided to shoot the engine core extension from a higher point of view with a moderate camera pan that wouldn't betray the intended illusion ("play it safer") and it worked. Possibly a late decision, thus Ben Resella didn't have time to include as many cylindrical connecting segments as he did in the first extension painting.
Bob

Maurice June 14 2014 08:30 PM

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Quote:

Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 9703243)
"Nothing much new in those photos" :confused:

Different angles of stuff we've seen a dozen times. And I've seen the b.g. painting before, just not from that angle. So not all that interesting to me.

Quote:

Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 9703243)
... so I find this remark not helpful at all, to say the least.

Where in the board guidelines is "helpful" a requirement?

People politely expressing a personal opinion is just that. Feel free to add me to your ignore list if your eyes are tiring of rolling in their sockets. :)

Chris3123 June 14 2014 09:03 PM

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Nice pics! :techman: I really like the one with the crewmember standing near the end of the warp core set piece, as it really helps to illustrate the forced perspective technique they used.


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