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mythme June 9 2014 07:24 PM

Director's cuts in blu-ray?
 
Just throwing this out there in case I missed anything, but has there been any word or inkling about the director's cuts of TMP and/or TUC being released on blu-ray? Or for that matter, any word on remastering films I-X?

Timby June 9 2014 07:35 PM

Re: Director's cuts in blu-ray?
 
Star Trek II was restored for Blu-ray, and it looks atrocious:

DVD:
http://i.imgur.com/nZkgHm3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uRPGDPN.jpg

Blu-ray:
http://i.imgur.com/54o02mBl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Lc1tpYml.jpg

That being said, I am expecting Blu-ray re-releases next year to coincide with the 50th, and I've heard a few rumblings to that effect (notably that CBS Digital went straight from wrapping TNG HD and moving over to the TMP director's edition). The recent Amazon fire sale on the movie Blu-rays is only adding more fuel to the speculation.

trekker670 June 9 2014 08:57 PM

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Timby wrote: (Post 9681064)
That being said, I am expecting Blu-ray re-releases next year to coincide with the 50th, and I've heard a few rumblings to that effect...The recent Amazon fire sale on the movie Blu-rays is only adding more fuel to the speculation.

I've suspected the same. They've done fire sales in the past, but they've been this price for about a week now.

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Timby wrote: (Post 9681064)
(notably that CBS Digital went straight from wrapping TNG HD and moving over to the TMP director's edition).

TNG-HD still isn't wrapped. S6 is still a few weeks from the street. S7 is still in the process of being remastered. No release date has been announced yet, but speculation is the end of the year.

Avro Arrow June 10 2014 05:36 AM

Re: Director's cuts in blu-ray?
 
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Timby wrote: (Post 9681064)
That being said, I am expecting Blu-ray re-releases next year to coincide with the 50th

Wouldn't the 50th be in 2016, two years from now?

Timby June 10 2014 02:31 PM

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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 9683662)
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Timby wrote: (Post 9681064)
That being said, I am expecting Blu-ray re-releases next year to coincide with the 50th

Wouldn't the 50th be in 2016, two years from now?

It was Monday, I'm never coherent until dinnertime. :lol:

Grant June 10 2014 07:22 PM

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Timby wrote: (Post 9684562)
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Avro Arrow wrote: (Post 9683662)
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Timby wrote: (Post 9681064)
That being said, I am expecting Blu-ray re-releases next year to coincide with the 50th

Wouldn't the 50th be in 2016, two years from now?

It was Monday, I'm never coherent until dinnertime. :lol:

Well, I love the rumor about CBS Digital starting on TMP Director's edition, BUT CBS doesn't handle Trek movie product---only the various TV series'---so I think that is unfortunately BS as well.

Any actual proof or a link to the rumors?

I'm hoping you are right and that they fix the color on TWOK !!!

austen_pierce June 11 2014 12:24 PM

Re: Director's cuts in blu-ray?
 
BS or not, these are long overdue. I don't think I am alone when I say I feel like Paramount is snubbing fans by not making DE on Blu-Ray available.

And yes, TWOK must be color-correct. While I think the restored version has a fresh look to it, the color is just wrong. That is NOT the movie we saw in theaters or have owned on multiple formats for decades.

LOKAI of CHERON June 11 2014 12:35 PM

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austen_pierce wrote: (Post 9688861)
And yes, TWOK must be color-correct. While I think the restored version has a fresh look to it, the color is just wrong. That is NOT the movie we saw in theaters or have owned on multiple formats for decades.

The TWOK DE is certainly not the movie we saw in theatres either. With alternate, and inferior, takes of key scenes and unnecessary additions like the Peter Preston "comedy banter" with Kirk in engineering - which only served to slow the prefect pacing of the original down.

Also, although I do believe the original is closer, do we have any definite proof which versions colour timing is correct? I certainly can't remember what I saw in theatres, and there hasn't been any "official" statement about it. Just saying.

Grant June 11 2014 01:58 PM

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LOKAI of CHERON wrote: (Post 9688891)
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austen_pierce wrote: (Post 9688861)
And yes, TWOK must be color-correct. While I think the restored version has a fresh look to it, the color is just wrong. That is NOT the movie we saw in theaters or have owned on multiple formats for decades.

The TWOK DE is certainly not the movie we saw in theatres either. With alternate, and inferior, takes of key scenes and unnecessary additions like the Peter Preston "comedy banter" with Kirk in engineering - which only served to slow the prefect pacing of the original down.

Also, although I do believe the original is closer, do we have any definite proof which versions colour timing is correct? I certainly can't remember what I saw in theatres, and there hasn't been any "official" statement about it. Just saying.


I have and had dozens of vintage pictures from the movie including shots of the Regula "half-sphere" model as it was being filmed by the FX people and it was always brownish-red as was the movie itself and all the promo material at the time.

So yeah it is wrong on the Blu-ray and although I much prefer the Director's cut--any new Blu-ray should have the original cut included as well via seamless branching. But hey if you're happy with the color and the cut of the first Blu-ray ----you're all set already.

Hopefully the fans of the DC can get their wish as well.

Lance June 11 2014 03:42 PM

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The brown-red is definitely the correct color tint.

LOKAI of CHERON June 11 2014 04:25 PM

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Grant wrote: (Post 9689149)
But hey if you're happy with the color and the cut of the first Blu-ray ----you're all set already.

Hopefully the fans of the DC can get their wish as well.

I certainly have no problem with the colour timing on the BD - in fact - it looks rather good actually. Although I definitely have a propensity towards "purism" when it comes to movies, I like to think I remain open minded enough to judge something on its individual merits. In the case of the TWOK BD, the colour timing looks excellent to my eye, I therefore accept it.

That doesn't mean I reject or dislike the original in any way - quite the opposite. I would happily double dip on a seamlessly branched disc containing both cuts of the film - restoring the perhaps more familiar balance of colours. I'm positive this will happen at some point, so we'll all be happy as you say! :techman:

But, yes, you're right, I prefer the theatrical version of the movie by a landslide! :p

MakeshiftPython June 11 2014 04:50 PM

Re: Director's cuts in blu-ray?
 
What baffles me is that there were some excellent blu-ray releases by Paramount for films that came out around the same time as the TOS films, yet those Trek films were not given the same treatment video wise. THE VOYAGE HOME was nominated for an Oscar for cinematography, but you wouldn't get that impression when watching the blu-ray as the picture quality is just underwhelming for a variety of reasons. The worst being the DNR, especially for THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY. Boy oh boy, that flick looks like rubber city.

After what CBS has demonstrated with their blu-ray releases of the TV shows, Paramount ought to step up.

Grant June 11 2014 05:13 PM

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The funny thing is that they went back and supposedly found the TWOK original negative was so bad that thye decided to completely restore it complete with a 4K scan.

So they cleaned up the one that was the hardest to restore and then took all the other 5 movies and just rescanned existing prints at 1080p. Then they did a quick clean-up on those with standard 2K scans.

So we got one out of six true restorations and five that are just scanned at 1080p with a later digital clean-up.

I know these aren't huge money makers for Paramount at this point but that's pretty lazy and a real slap to the loyal fans who have been supporting Trek on video for over 30 years on multiple formats.

I would be real sad if in 2016 we get the Director's cuts in a less than stellar release (no branching, no true restoration, no color correction, no deleted scenes), BUT on the other hand we probably won't get the director's cuts at all.....

LOKAI of CHERON June 11 2014 05:55 PM

Re: Director's cuts in blu-ray?
 
All the TOS movie BD's are considerably superior to their DVD counterparts, with TMP probably the best looking. Sure, they're definitely not "eye popping" demo discs, and suffer from over zealous DNR in some cases, but minimally, TMP and TWOK are decent transfers.

To call the TWOK BD "atrocious" is pretty ridiculous and somewhat disingenuous IMHO. Even if I hated the altered colour timing, the thought of watching a fuzzy upscaled DVD in preference to it on my home cinema system fills me with dread!

Oso Blanco June 11 2014 06:10 PM

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Grant wrote: (Post 9689722)
BUT on the other hand we probably won't get the director's cuts at all.....

I believe I've said this before, but the Directors Editions of TWOK and TUC are available in HD on iTunes ... no BluRay quality of course, but better than the DVDs. In fact I think they used the same transfers as for the DVDs, only that this is a higher resulution.


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