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BillJ June 6 2014 04:18 PM

Twelve Reasons I Love Star Trek Into Darkness
 
Twelve Reasons I Love Star Trek Into Darkness:

1 - Niburu - This is what hooked little BillyJ on Star Trek in the first place. Big, brash adventure on the Final Frontier.

2 - Enterprise in the ocean - Coolest special effect I've ever seen in a major motion picture.

3 - Sacrifice - What would you sacrifice to save someone you love? Being married and a father of three, it is a question that I don't know the answer to.

4 - Khan - Cumberbatch was born to play the role. Cunning when the situation calls for it, brutal when the situation calls for it. I think his performance was very much in line with Montalban's "Space Seed" portrayal of the character. "Khan Noonien Singh is the most dangerous adversary the Enterprise ever faced. He is brilliant, ruthless and he will not hesitate to kill every single one of you."

5 - The Rundown - There is just an incredible feel in the theater when the Vengeance runs down the Enterprise while at warp.

6 - Pike's death - Incredibly well done scene that isn't dependent on dialogue to get the point across.

7 - Losing the Enterprise - "You don't respect the chair". This was an expected fallout from the "Cadet to Captain" scenario of the first film. I wish they could've delved into the situation a bit more but understand why they didn't.

8 - Klingons! - The most menacing they've been since Michael Ansara played Kang in 1968's "The Day of the Dove".

9 - The Argument - I think the Spock/Uhura argument on the way to Kronos is probably one of the most realistic "relationship" moments I've seen in the history of the franchise. Being married for twenty-plus years, I know that issues between couples can bubble to the surface at the most inopportune times.

10 - Khan!!! - Loved it! I loved that they reversed the scene. I loved that Spock began to figure out why him and Kirk worked well together. I love that he wanted to beat the shit out of Khan for killing his friend.

11 - The Speech - I don't care about Orci's feelings about 9/11 but the speech Kirk gives should hit home for every American.

12 - Uhura - I loved that she wanted to be the one to speak to the Klingons. No, "Captain, I'm frightened", even though she clearly was uneasy with the situation.

I found Star Trek Into Darkness fun in a way that Star Trek simply hadn't been in a very long time. Are there things I might have done differently? Yes. Am I sure that those things would've made it a better movie? No.

When I watch the Abramsverse films, it is almost like I've been transported back in time to a point when Star Trek didn't take itself so seriously.

Franklin June 6 2014 05:26 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 9669637)
When I watch the Abramsverse films, it is almost like I've been transported back in time to a point when Star Trek didn't take itself so seriously.

Yep.

Chemahkuu June 6 2014 07:05 PM

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A nice list, agree on all of those points. The 2009 movie was never going to be perfect, it had too much to do with a new team of people making it, it was always going to be rough.

STID could just hit the ground running and tell whatever story it needed to. And I think they made a great effort, a really enjoyable film, and I love it.

I haven't enjoyed Trek anywhere near as much in years, that alone was worth it for me.

Robert D. Robot June 6 2014 07:08 PM

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I agree with all your points, BillJ, although I confess that I still have a bit of a problem with Uhura giving Spock the business in front of her Captain in the middle of that mission. But I do see your point! :)

I also did not initially accept the Enterprise maneuvering under water & in a Class M Planet's lower atmosphere, but I am willing to accept a different level of capabilities for the ship, compared to the assumptions that I had previously made about her Prime Universe 'sister' from TOS & movies.

Kruezerman June 6 2014 07:40 PM

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It's Star Trek again.

Jedi_Master June 6 2014 08:01 PM

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*Makes popcorn waiting for BigJake to wander by*

Nice list. I would add one.

13) It looked amazing on the big screen.

The Keeper June 6 2014 08:21 PM

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YES! :cool:

Crazy Eddie June 6 2014 08:35 PM

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Franklin wrote: (Post 9669859)
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BillJ wrote: (Post 9669637)
When I watch the Abramsverse films, it is almost like I've been transported back in time to a point when Star Trek didn't take itself so seriously.

Yep.

Sums it up nicely, doesn't it?

BillJ June 6 2014 09:50 PM

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Robert D. Robot wrote: (Post 9670084)

I also did not initially accept the Enterprise maneuvering under water & in a Class M Planet's lower atmosphere, but I am willing to accept a different level of capabilities for the ship, compared to the assumptions that I had previously made about her Prime Universe 'sister' from TOS & movies.

When I first heard about it, my inner Trekkie was in a rage. When I saw it, my inner kid beat up my inner Trekkie and made him go sit in the corner.

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Jedi_Master wrote: (Post 9670276)

Nice list. I would add one.

13) It looked amazing on the big screen.

I started with five, then went to eight, to ten, then eleven and finally settling on twelve. I could have probably reeled off twenty easy but wanted a post that didn't waste people's time.

Franklin June 6 2014 10:04 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 9670600)
I started with five, then went to eight, to ten, then eleven and finally settling on twelve. I could have probably reeled off twenty easy but wanted a post that didn't waste people's time.

Hey, that's what we're hear for. :p

I always liked it when Trek used humor in certain moments to keep a scene from becoming too serious or tense. This movie did that well. Among them:
-- The look on Khan's face when Kirk tries to explain to him that he's already "jumped off a moving car, off a bridge, into your shot glass" along with Kirk's realization that he probably should've kept his mouth shut is a nice moment. Showed Kirk's nervous energy, too.
-- McCoy telling Kirk that he and Uhura had something to do with it, too, when Kirk says Spock saved his life is a classic McCoy quip and keeps the scene from becoming sentimental or "bromantic."

Pasi Nurminen June 6 2014 11:34 PM

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It's funny because those are all the exact things I hate about it. Particularly "the argument." Nothing says classic Star Trek like interrupting a life-and-death mission to bitch at your boyfriend about where your relationship is going.

BillJ June 6 2014 11:38 PM

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Pasi Nurminen wrote: (Post 9670894)
It's funny because those are all the exact things I hate about it. Particularly "the argument." Nothing says classic Star Trek like interrupting a life-and-death mission to bitch at your boyfriend about where your relationship is going.

A life or death mission where absolutely zero was happening at that point.

Different strokes for different folks. :shrug:

Franklin June 6 2014 11:55 PM

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Pasi Nurminen wrote: (Post 9670894)
It's funny because those are all the exact things I hate about it. Particularly "the argument." Nothing says classic Star Trek like interrupting a life-and-death mission to bitch at your boyfriend about where your relationship is going.

Frankly, with respect, if you hated all twelve of BillJ's points, then did you ever even like TOS?

Besides, they weren't in any real danger, yet when Uhura confronted Spock. Didn't you ever wonder what in the world these people talked about in route to these missions? The weather? Or, are they just tense and silent the entire time? Kirk was uncomfortable with it, too, after all, which lends the scene some credibility to whether or not it was the appropriate time or place for the discussion. Sometimes emotions spill out at odd times, and the air has to be cleared.

Despite the humor involved and the admittedly ridiculous timing of the spat within the story (not ridiculous as a choice of the writers, but as a choice of the characters in that situation), it's also a critical scene for revealing what makes Spock tick. He chooses not to feel. The pain of losing Vulcan and his mother is too great to bear, so he suppresses it through strict self control. Self control that finally snaps when Kirk dies.

BillJ June 7 2014 12:00 AM

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Franklin wrote: (Post 9670942)

Frankly, with respect, if you hated all twelve of BillJ's points, then did you ever even like TOS?

I always thought that even those people who didn't like the movie overall, like the Niburu scenes. Learn something new everyday.

Pasi Nurminen June 7 2014 12:21 AM

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I'm still dumbfounded that anyone can claim with a straight face that JJ Abrams captures the essence of TOS. TOS was never a big, loud, brainless action series revolving around explosions and flashing lights and loud noises. Saying JJ captures the essence of TOS is like saying Stephenie Meyer's Twilight captured the essence of Jane Austen's Persuasion. It's just absurd on its face.


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